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Old 11-09-2016, 12:57 PM
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Default Oil Recommendations for 2013 Chevy Traverse

Hi,

Last night we picked up a used 2013 Chevrolet Traverse that has approx. 23,000 on it and the 3.6L motor. We purchased it from a Local Chevrolet dealer. It was later in the evening so there were no service techs to answer my questions about lubrication.

I asked the saleswoman if the warranty would be affected by oil and filter brands not mentioned in the owners manual. She told me that to simplify the warranty process, I would be doing myself a favor to use only the recommended parts, and keep a detailed record of all dates, receipts, mileage and other things.

She said "off the record" due to the Moss-Magnuson act (something like that) I could technically use whatever brand of parts or lubricants that are designed to fit the vehicle. She said however, most customers do not know of this act, and the dealerships will tell them the warranty is voided because genuine parts were not used. She said that this puts the dealer in a bad position because GM offers incentives to dealers that deny warranty coverage of items that legally should be replaced under the warranty. About the only time that the warranty is strictly followed is for safety related items.

Anyway, she stated that I should only use Dexos approved oil. I guess Dexos is a blend of Dino and Synthetic oil. I told her that I don't believe in the blended oils, and prefer using either straight Dino or Synthetic oil. In regards to the filter, she says that her husband will only use the factory recommended oil filters if a Wix oil filter is not available...........that gets my vote. She then told me that a lot of people make the mistake of using 10w30 synthetic instead of 05w30 synthetic. She stated that the newer engines require the lighter weight oils to keep from forming sludge issues.

So, will I be ok if I use some Mobil 1 synthetic 05w30 and the correct Wix oil filter. I have been using full synthetic 10w30 in all my other vehicles and have not noticed any kind of "sludge" issue, but then again I wouldn't know where to look for the sludge other than on the oil cap. I would appreciate any information or thoughts you may have. I cant wait to get the DINOSYN stuff out of there.............thanks.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:39 PM
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5w30 Dexos approved oil, will say so on the label.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:40 PM
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She said "off the record" due to the Moss-Magnuson act (something like that)
I could technically use whatever brand of parts or lubricants that are designed
to fit the vehicle.
- She was correct.

Anyway, she stated that I should only use Dexos approved oil. I guess Dexos is a blend of Dino and Synthetic oil.
- Most Dexos approved engines are a blend of Group II and Group III base
stocks, some are Group III only, and you will not know by reading the label.
Not going to get in to that debate again.


I told her that I don't believe in the blended oils, and prefer using either straight Dino or Synthetic oil.
- Really please explain why you think so (sarcasm)! "Blended' basestocks
were never and are not an issue today. Again reference my previous posts
about Group II and Group III basestocks.


In regards to the filter, she says that her husband will only use the factory recommended oil filters if a Wix oil filter is not available...........that gets my vote.
- OEM filters are good choices, Wix makes a damn good filter, Mobil 1 oil
filters are excellent as well. Pick your poison.


She then told me that a lot of people make the mistake of using 10w30 synthetic instead of 05w30 synthetic. She stated that the newer engines require the lighter weight oils to keep from forming sludge issues.
- Very very wrong. Bullshit alert!!!! Danger Will Robinson Danger. The
viscosity grade of the oil will not have any significant impact on whether the
oil will sludge or not!!! Sludge is a function of the quality not the viscosity
grade of the oil and also the quality of the additives used to prevent oxidation
and subsequently sludge. Use the viscosity grade that the engine
recommends, that way you get the proper flow of oil in the engine while it is
running. Proper oil flow keeps bearing temperatures down and provides for
the designed level of lubrication. Too thin, lack of lubrication, too thick lack of
flow. Both are back and lead to premature wear and failures.


So, will I be ok if I use some Mobil 1 synthetic 05w30 and the correct Wix oil filter. I have been using full synthetic 10w30 in all my other vehicles and have not noticed any kind of "sludge" issue, but then again I wouldn't know where to look for the sludge other than on the oil cap. I would appreciate any information or thoughts you may have. I cant wait to get the DINOSYN stuff out of there.............thanks.
1. Mobil 1 is good oil, get the viscosity the manual recommends.
2. Wix is good.
3. Stop saying stupid shit about "blended oils", because you are wrong.

Answer this question: Group II is derived from crude oil, so where is
Group III derived from? (hint: the answer is here on SFT.)
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:48 PM
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Dexos is a licensing scheme so GM can collect a fee on every quart of oil
that meets their specification, IIRC it is $0.25 per quart fee, that you get
to pay back to GM for the Dexos logo on your oil...

If I were ever to purchase a vehicle produced by Government Motors, the
chances are low but not zero. I would run Mobil 1 in it like I do every other
gasser I have or Delvac 1 as with my diesels.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:07 PM
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Thanks Ron,

What I meant by "blended oils" is the Dexos type which to my limited knowledge means that it is a mixture of conventional oil and synthetic oil. I guess I should use the proper terminology.

But honestly, I really do not see any advantage of using an oil that is lets say 50% conventional oil, and 50% synthetic oil. I suppose in a fleet operation it may have some advantages such as cost, and still having some of the advantages of a synthetic oil. For all I know, I might be better off just sticking to conventional oil because I am a stickler for changing oil at its recommended intervals, and am probably just tossing money out the window. My main reason for using synthetics is I like how easy an engine turns over at -10 degrees F. And also from what I have read, or been lead to believe, synthetics off a higher degree of protection from heat.

I tried to understand some of this oil terminology by watching videos put out by various oil companies. When they get to the boring part of explaining base 2, 3, and 4 stock, I get bored and take the "don't know, and don't care" attitude.........maybe becoming a better student would answer all the great mysteries I have about motor oils..........thanks again.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:11 PM
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Group I, II & III are all refined from crude oil. II & III are low sulfur and low aromatic content. III have a higher VI generally above 125.

Group III were declared in a law suit in the late 90's as being 'synthetic".
So the lawyers and marketing wizards won. Between me and my fellow
chemists, yeah not so much. So your blends that you don't like both come
out of the ground. So are they all that different??? Nope. So your claim that
you don't like them mixed is irrelevant.

Group IV basestocks are really the true synthetics And is what the Mobil 1
and Delvac 1 formulations are based on, a mixture of PAO's and synthetic
esters. Not cheap raw materials.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:22 PM
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Your lowest pour point will be with Mobil 1 formulations. That will be the
easiest cranking oil in the winter and one of the main reasons I use it.
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