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Old 03-19-2008, 11:10 AM
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Default Ingersoll TS4 lubrication.

I'm starting on my newly aquired Ingersoll compressor. I have a question for Shade, and the other lubrication experts.
I use AMS-Oil PCK ISO 100 synthetic in my old "aluminum body ingersoll T10". I just changed oil last December, and still have a few quarts left. I got the T10 from a former co-worker about five years ago. I forget what I've got in it, but It was basically free. I'm suprised it lasted this long, given how much I've used it.
The lube specs for the TS4 call for an ISO 150/SAE 40 oil @80-125 deg F.
The Ams-Oil specs are confusing:
Synthetic PC Series Compressor Oils
PCK, ISO 100 SAE 40
PCL, ISO 150 SAE 50
The PCK oil I have used is Listed as ISO 100, But SAE 40.
The ISO 150 PCL is only available in a mininum of 5 gal pails. At my age My kids will still be using it when I'm long gone.
Which oil should I use, or do you'all recommend another lube?
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:54 AM
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I dont know what a TS4 is without looking but I can get IR "all season select" by the quart
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Old 03-19-2008, 11:56 AM
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here is the maint kit...
http://www2.northerntool.com/product/200319377.htm
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SAE 20, SAE 30, SAE 40 and SAE 50 are AUTOMOTIVE crankcase viscosity grades, and are viscosity specification to be met at 212F (100C) any company or person (who is in the industry) using SAE grading system to specify an air compressor oil for with an application temp of 80-125F, is just plain f#cking stupid.

The ISO viscosity grading system uses 104F or 40C for its viscometric specification.

So Jimmy to answer your question.

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The lube specs for the TS4 call for an ISO 150 oil @ 80-125 deg F.
The ISO 100 is only one grade light and you can run it in a pinch but as soon as you can get some ISO 150 I would change it out.

BTW, I am not a big fan of AMSOIL.
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:48 PM
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Ron,

I understand what you say about ISO vs automotive type oil, now I'm getting confused, the Husky (Campbell-Hausfeld) compresser says to use SAE 5-30 Mobil 1, synthetic motor oil. Is this a different type of automotive oil, or are they saying use this because you will be able to find it easier than ISO type rated oils? and it basically good enough.

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Old 03-21-2008, 05:17 PM
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I understand what you say about ISO vs automotive type oil...
Ummm, no you don't, and I am not saying that to be mean or vicious. SAE XX(W) and ISO XXX are just viscosity grades. Viscosity is defined as a fluids resistance to flow. Or more simply how thick the oil is. The SAE 20 - 50 grades are determined at 212F (100C), because crankcase oils see those temp in the operating engine. So setting specification at that temperature makes sense.

The ISO system is more for hydraulic oils, compressor oils, and gear oils and those viscosity specifications are set using 40C (104F) because most of those systems run at or near that temperature.

The SAE or ISO system do not in any way specify the service type (motor oil, compressor oil, way oil, etc.) they only tell you the viscosity of the oil.

Now oils depending on many factors may meet SAE 50 at 100C but might be a ISO 46, 68, 100, 150 or 220 at 40C depending on the type of base oil and additives in the formulation.

So since the compressor above says it runs around 40C (104F) use the recommended ISO viscosity grade.

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the Husky (Campbell-Hausfeld) compresser says to use SAE 5-30 Mobil 1, synthetic motor oil. Is this a different type of automotive oil,
Using a detergent motor oil in any air compressor is very dumb. I guess Campbell just want to sell more compressors. Motor oils will hold moisture and this in turn will generate corrosion in compressors!

Now you ask, why does it not happen in my engine. Your engine get hot enough every time you run around town to drive off most or all of the moisture and it becomes a who cares. Your compressor never gets that hot.
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BTW, I am not a big fan of AMSOIL
I've used their oils when I was racing motorcycles and found it ok, but from the standpoint I didn't have engine or transmission failures that could be attributed to lubrication problems.

This was in the late 70's early 80's while it was relatively the new kid on the block.

What are your reasons Ron? (for the info)
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I was just given a viscosity equivalent chart, from one of the oil dealers. Pretty neat if you want to convert from ISO to SAE. If anyone is interested I can scan it
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Now you ask, why does it not happen in my engine. Your engine get hot enough every time you run around town to drive off most or all of the moisture and it becomes a who cares. Your compressor never gets that hot.
not saying you are wrong but my compressor runs pretty hot. You cannot hold your hand on the crankcase. Not nearly as hot as a engine but certainly above 104* Next time she is cranking I will take her temp.
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