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Old 11-16-2007, 04:05 AM
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as some may recall, I was think about buying a 350P. I am now also looking at the 252. I searched old posts and still have a few questions. I am asking this question here because I know many on the fourm have ran the 350P and 252 (or 251). As a hobby welder (sometimes welding only 1 day a month ) is the 350P worth the extra money. Is the 252 soft arc good or bad?

I mainly would like to hear what you have to say about the difference between the 350 and 252. I heard the 350 can be a little harder to adjust and takes some time to tune it into its sweet spot.

So is the pulse on the 350P worth the extra 1500 compaired to the 252?

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Old 11-16-2007, 07:46 AM
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As a hobby welder (sometimes welding only 1 day a month ) is the 350P worth the extra money. Is the 252 soft arc good or bad?

I mainly would like to hear what you have to say about the difference between the 350 and 252. I heard the 350 can be a little harder to adjust and takes some time to tune it into its sweet spot.

So is the pulse on the 350P worth the extra 1500 compaired to the 252?

-Ryan
I find the 350P no easier or difficult to adjust than the 251 I had before it. I would not call the 251's arc soft I would call it harsh. Others will have their own opinion.

If your budget can handle the 350P; I say spend it! The 350P is a much nicer machine to run.

But comparing the 2 is like apples and oranges, the 350P is one of the best values today in the welding world, IMO. It is an inverter based 400 amp machine, that provide consistance output no matter what input you use, single or 3 phase. Not to mention the pulse is a real plus at times.

The 251 does its job, but after welding with the 350P I never felt any remorse in letting it travel to Lubbock.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:27 AM
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As a hobby welder (sometimes welding only 1 day a month ) is the 350P worth the extra money. Is the 252 soft arc good or bad?


So is the pulse on the 350P worth the extra 1500 compaired to the 252?

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The 251 does its job, but after welding with the 350P I never felt any remorse in letting it travel to Lubbock.
As the one who wound up with the traveling 251 and one who could never justify the $4k for a 350P, I have no remorse about buying the 251. I might love having a 350P but I would have had to sacrifice about $2500 worth of other toys? As it is, the old 251 has built everything I've done for the last 2 1/2 years without a whimper from either one of us.

Another thing you might consider Ace:
At the time I was deciding whether to buy a new 210 with a spoolgun or a new 251 without & the 251 was generally considered to be the hot new thing. Shade Tree offered up his 251 for about the same price as a new 210 so I bought it. Within a couple of months the 251 came under criticism for this "mushy/harsh/soft" arc and the 350P became the golden calf - if you could afford it. I figure if I bought a 350P now, then within a couple of months there would be a new 380P+ that would blow everyone's socks off & there I would be all over again with an obsolete machine.
So I will stick with what I've got and be happy with it. It ties every bale and can handle anything I throw at it.
Why don't you find someone who can let you try a 251 and a 210 and see how they feel to you? You might decide to save yourself a lot of money.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:48 AM
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Nah, Cutter, I think you need a 350P. :evil:


The traveling 251 is a really nice piece of equipment even for all the miles and years it has under it's casters. I couldn't see a hobbyist needing more machine than that, and where it falls short a hobbyist would just take the jump to TIG.


One day, some day, I will have a similar rig...
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:18 PM
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Doesn't Fat Frank have a 210 or a 250, I think y'all got together sometime back didnchew.
I've used my 350P very little in the almost yr I've owned it, it seems the smaller rig is to convenient due to the wire size in the units, seem to be a good idea at the time though,
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:54 PM
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Ace,

The only qualified comment I can make about the 350P is that I want one. There is no way in he11 that I actually NEED one. I bought a 251 about a year and a half ago, I added a spoolgun shortly thereafter and this rig exceeds my needs as a professional hobbiest. Find a LWS that is willing to let you take them both for a test ride side by side, like cutter said, the difference in price buys alot of other goodies. OTOH, if you have sacks and sacks of coin like LW, then by all means get the 350P
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:22 PM
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It is an inverter based 400 amp machine, that provide consistence output no matter what input you use, single or 3 phase. Not to mention the pulse is a real plus at times.
Shade offered about the same statement on one of the other threads asking about the same questions and using that and the information gleaned off the net(which was almost nil at the time), I bought the first 350P. Although it found a new home all too soon in a production shop, I did consider it valued and worthy of being considered again for my simple uses at this time.

Now, understand that this latest purchase has sat, untouched for 2 weeks, power cord still with stripped and bared ends waiting to be attached to power, snugly sitting under it's shipping box cover.

But, I can agree that if the money difference twix the two welders is not a consideration and that extra money is not to be missed, I wouldn't consider my actions silly or unfounded. What little welding I did with the first more than made up my mind as to the machines worth in a home/farm/hobbyist's shop setting. Set up is easy, doing a little reading and preparation. Of course, there may be a need for it in a more productive setting for it, but that's after retirement comes.

BTW, the local welding supplies around my neck of the woods have one each sitting on the floor at their shops, but haven't sold any and have no clue as to it's value. Typical to my location and the quality of the generation of knowledge and seeking same.

That was the main reason for not dealing with them. They weren't able to answer any one simple question, without giving me a phone number to ask myself. They were really helpful with new gloves.

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Old 11-16-2007, 05:48 PM
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I would not call the 251's arc soft I would call it harsh


I believe you run your stuff a little harder then most, and the top end does break up pretty early. I happen to hate the 251/252 type of arc. It's not bad down low because it's soft but turn it up it's weird. Weird is the best way I know to describe it's arc. The 350P has your typical inverter arc in that it drives into the root of the weld. It's worth the price difference even if it didn't have the pulse.
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I believe you run your stuff a little harder then most, and the top end does break up pretty early.
ME??? Nah... well maybe... ('cause it's called profit...)

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It's not bad down low because it's soft but turn it up it's weird. Weird is the best way I know to describe it's arc. The 350P has your typical inverter arc in that it drives into the root of the weld. It's worth the price difference even if it didn't have the pulse.
I would agree with that statement but then again I never run a welder down low.... Why?
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