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Old 01-18-2020, 10:11 AM
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I've been thinking about you in this weather and am happy to hear that the water is flowing. My friend is a plumber and he has been very busy with water lines in mobile homes this last week.

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Old 01-18-2020, 01:21 PM
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...That may be the case this year, after operation I can't fly for a while. Tickets are booked and we may be screwed...
I guess it depends on how long you have to wait after the operation before you can fly. Unless it's a very long time you should be able to make it to Mexico for a while. Might not miss the worst of the Alberta winter but you could still get way for a bit.

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...I've been thinking about you in this weather and am happy to hear that the water is flowing. My friend is a plumber and he has been very busy with water lines in mobile homes this last week...
A lot of us are watching to see if--or when--the pipes freeze up. Should have started a lottery and used it to make some money.

It may depend on how deep the pipes are buried. Pretty sure it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I can't remember and I'm not gonna dig back through the entire thread to find out. If the frost hasn't gone that deep then, of course, the pipes won't freeze. Once it gets down to the level of the pipe it could be a different story. I applaud Gerry's confidence about being able to easily thaw the pipes if they do freeze--I hope he's right.

I for one know that plastic pipes will freeze if they're exposed to the cold. I've got a couple of plastic lines in the yard that are not buried and once the temperature gets down below a certain point they'll freeze if not protected by a heat tape. I'm chicken enough that I don't want to find out what it takes to freeze them--as soon as there is any chance of frost the heat tapes get plugged in. The last thing I want is to be fighting with frozen water pipes--been there done that in my earlier years and I sure don't need to play that game now that I'm older.

Strangely enough my pump house froze up earlier this week. It's well insulated but I keep a heat lamp in there as insurance. I thought I had already plugged it in but apparently not. Wife phoned me late on Tuesday afternoon with the good news. There are a number of pipes in there feeding different parts of the property and I know from experience that it's impossible to know which one--or how many--are frozen so I just plugged in a small electric heater and just left it overnight.

I was afraid that enough water had been drained from the system that I'd have to screw around priming the pump or doing other things to get the water flowing but when I went out in the morning to get it working all I had to do was turn the pump on and the water started to flow. Needless to say I was a happy camper.

In spite of what some people seem to think we do get winter and cold weather here in the Valley. It certainly doesn't get as cold as many of you are used to and we seldom get a lot of snow but it does happen. Over the period when the pump froze the overnight temps were getting down around -10 C (14 F). We had about a week of that and there's 8"-10" of snow on the ground. It was really pretty for a few days but now it's warming up and they're saying we're going to get rain later today and tomorrow--there's going to be water lying everywhere...
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Old 01-18-2020, 03:28 PM
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It has been cold here hit -30 c here one night. I just leave the tap in the main bathroom on a trickle as insurance.
The new addition has moved the pump room well inside the heated area and I put quiter a bit of heat into the crawl space to make the floors warm.

Before I put the addition on I had about 15 feet of possible freeze pipes
I looked at the heat tape Gerry used and thought it far to expensive.
My solution was based on two things first the freeze issue and second possible replacement of that pipe in the future should id fail.
To that end I simply installed 3 inch ABS sewer pipe using 22.5 degree fittings and short pieces of pipe to make a gentle turn to vertical about 7 ft down.
The weak spot was that the pump was only a couple of feet inside the foundation wall. at the yop I fed the waterpipe through a y with a fitted cap on the straight arm so I could seal that. The pipe slopes down into the well .
It enters the well about 8 feet below the surface. since the waterin the well is at least a couple of degrees above freezing and heat rises the inside of the sewer pipe has always been well above zero. Even at - 40 outside it has been fine.
I have had one small freeze where a copper pipe passed through a cold air return that leads to the outside furnace.
We went away for a day and it got pretty cold. came home to no water to the main bathroom First I got the wood furnace working then started to get ready to go under the house when I heard the toilet start filling
The next time I needed to go under the house I inspected the plumbing and figured it out. I re routed that pipe into the heated area. no freezes in the last 15 years
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:30 PM
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I guess it depends on how long you have to wait after the operation before you can fly. Unless it's a very long time you should be able to make it to Mexico for a while. Might not miss the worst of the Alberta winter but you could still get way for a bit.



A lot of us are watching to see if--or when--the pipes freeze up. Should have started a lottery and used it to make some money.

It may depend on how deep the pipes are buried. Pretty sure it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I can't remember and I'm not gonna dig back through the entire thread to find out. If the frost hasn't gone that deep then, of course, the pipes won't freeze. Once it gets down to the level of the pipe it could be a different story. I applaud Gerry's confidence about being able to easily thaw the pipes if they do freeze--I hope he's right.

I for one know that plastic pipes will freeze if they're exposed to the cold. I've got a couple of plastic lines in the yard that are not buried and once the temperature gets down below a certain point they'll freeze if not protected by a heat tape. I'm chicken enough that I don't want to find out what it takes to freeze them--as soon as there is any chance of frost the heat tapes get plugged in. The last thing I want is to be fighting with frozen water pipes--been there done that in my earlier years and I sure don't need to play that game now that I'm older.
Hey Keith,
My spies tell me that you have about 8-10" of snow in the Fraser Valley. The crackling sound of freezing pipes must be audible everywhere
When I put in the pilings we found frost to 3.5ft. The waterline is at 8ft except where the hoe operator got too enthusiastic. The pool noodles go down to the 8ft mark underground.
Plastic pipe won't freeze but the water inside it sure will. After seeing -42, I have kind of given up on the idea of finding out when freezing will occur. If I go to Mexico, I'm sure it would be froze by the time I get back from no water use.
I paid a lot for that heat tape that I may never use, but on the other hand I can service or replace it from a nice warm utility room. Non of that crawling around underneath shit for me. Everything we are doing here is to be set up as maintenance free as possible til we die, because we will not have another home.

We were going over the receipts yesterday and it is slightly over $112,000 all in. I could have cut $5000 out of that by putting the unit on blocking like it was before, and then crawling around leveling every few years and replacing rotted blocking.
I choose not to deal with it.

I have found that inline heat tapes are the most effective from my experience in the Yukon. The standard wrap around ones sooner or later burn out. I think from experience that when the thermostat fails, it fails on, and never stops heating til it croaks. At least this has happened twice on this place. We have that type of heat tape inside the pump pit, which will be tossed when I go to a submersible pump next year.
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Old 01-18-2020, 08:40 PM
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I've been thinking about you in this weather and am happy to hear that the water is flowing. My friend is a plumber and he has been very busy with water lines in mobile homes this last week.

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That does not surprise me, because most people view a mobile as a tent....temporary shelter. No one takes the time to do it properly.
I spent a winter thawing pipes in Yellowknife, most drains freeze because of a dripping tap. This trickle of water fills the pipe with frost, it looks like snow.
I would warn people after we got the drains running that this was the problem, and two days later they would call again. Some tried to blame me for doing a shitty job, and I said I agree with you, it is shitty, and much worse because you chose to do nothing about a 25 cent tap washer. That shut them up.
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Old 01-18-2020, 09:45 PM
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That does not surprise me, because most people view a mobile as a tent....temporary shelter. No one takes the time to do it properly.
I spent a winter thawing pipes in Yellowknife, most drains freeze because of a dripping tap. This trickle of water fills the pipe with frost, it looks like snow.
I would warn people after we got the drains running that this was the problem, and two days later they would call again. Some tried to blame me for doing a shitty job, and I said I agree with you, it is shitty, and much worse because you chose to do nothing about a 25 cent tap washer. That shut them up.
Yup, one of my jobs was drain thawing when we were a Mom & Pop. Every drain line will have low spots. If you leave tap trickling and the frost line has passed below your drainline you will steadily build a little ice damn in that low spot. Once the drain is froze it freezes back from that point. The worst one we did had better than 250 feet of ice It took better than half a day @$70/Hr. That 25 cent washer is cheap insurance. Drain lines are exactly that they are supposed to be dry unless they are letting waste water flow downstream.
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