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Old 11-03-2011, 11:35 AM
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noticed that the data plate on the one in your pics DID say 240v so you would not need that step up transformer... hope this guy does not want much for that unit... as the guy from "RescueWelding" on the WW thread was asking $750 a set for them brand new (PS and feeder)
I just do not have a good feeling about this at any price....maybe I am a little cynical... but I can remember a few of those "deals" that I found when much younger.... that ended up being way more expensive when all was said and done....
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Old 11-03-2011, 12:06 PM
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A multi-process machine which ain't working means "multi-processes not available".

Multiple machines allows "set 'em and leave 'em" plus redundancy if the Magic Smoke rolls out of one.

It's disturbingly easy to end up with lots of good machines and accessories for cheap, especially when you wrench on cars and trucks as allessence does. Folks including other gearheads will trade what they don't use. For example I bagged a 450 SVI with feeder in trade for a Ford Ranger I didn't have 200 bucks in. The swapper was happy and so was I.

Put out feelers. Gear will find you and you can save $$ for other things.
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Old 11-03-2011, 01:51 PM
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For example I bagged a 450 SVI with feeder ...
And, the 450 svi will tolerate the "unclean" 3-phase comming from
an RPC, as well as the conditions in an unheated garage better.

FWIW I wrote a couple of weeks ago about running my welder
on an RPC (guilty as charged)
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Old 11-03-2011, 01:57 PM
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I was looking into this awhile back and decided an inverter was a better
choice for me. I was buying new either way. But if you have a machine
and need power that is a different story.

To run a resistive load which is what welders are, high current draw for
extended times the RPC mfr's all said the same thing derated them 70-80%.

Sooo... you need 52 good amps. You need a RPC that has a name plate
rating of:

(52)/(70%)=74 amps
(52)/(80%)=65 amps

Between 65-74 amps and you should be good to go!

I have a unit from these guys:

http://www.electram.com/

About 10 years old and not one issue with it! Runs great. Was too quite so
I added a pilot light on it. Great Support after the purchase, when I was
installing it, I call and the talked me through it.
Hey your scarecrow smiley face seems almost out of place, I like it just the same though.

I didn't see this until after I posted the model and such. My 40HP RPC puts out a ton of amps and I only can run one machine (Betzy or Lucky) at a time so I figure I'm good (90 amps out continuous) 120 starting.

besides that Lucky and Betzy are only 2HP motors so .
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:05 PM
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Jen
I have had a couple of Cebora Tig machines and a Kemppii Tig... they were good machines but I was the loneliest guy on the continent if I needed service or support....
Am curious... what about this machine attracts you over something like a Millermatic 350P??? I have a 350P and it does all I need plus a bunch more for a MIG machine... and the support is excellent..
As far as design.... years ago the European machines were more advanced... these days not so much...
just curious as to what makes this one attractive to you..
Pricing point. With the economy the way it is I took a fairly substantial hit money wise. I would love to get a Miller 350P and kind of planned on going that direction and would have if work had held out.

I just spoke with the guy who is selling new units and he is using them in the shop. I am going up tomorrow to give it a look see and try it out. These won't come with pulse feature but oh, well. He said if there is a problem with me getting one of the units hooked up and running (in other words busted) then he would just exchange it.

I actually feel pretty good about moving in this direction and since this is less then 1/4 the price of the Miller 350 It might work out okay. 7 exhaust flex pipe repairs and it would be paid for. I'd have to do 380 of them to pay for the Miller.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:08 PM
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From the WW thread that Monckeywrench posted.. sounds like these machines are worse off than orphans.... savings on the front end.......... but throwaway if needing service..... ADDED to... how much will it cost you to get 440v 3ph from your 240v single ph????... not seeing any REAL savings (the phase conversion is relatively easy with a RPC... but you will need a step up transformer to get your 440v)

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No I do not, the only machines I have left is a new Thermal Arc 251 for $1800, I think it list for $2400-2500, and dozens of Esseti's that no one services and parts are scarce, we currently use Esset's in our shop for doing bridge work. The Esseti's are all 460v 3 phase machines as well.


my advice is run... RUN like the wind!!! it is a trap!!!

The wiring diagram I have shows they can be ran on 230V @ full throttle and only draw 52Amps. The wiring just needes to be swapped on one of the bridges.
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:08 PM
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Hey your scarecrow smiley face seems almost out of place, I like it just the same though.
There is a goblin that does that, it ain't me...

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I didn't see this until after I posted the model and such. My 40HP RPC puts out a ton of amps and I only can run one machine (Betzy or Lucky) at a time so I figure I'm good (90 amps out continuous) 120 starting.
Your good to go on power!!!

I would be very cautious on your machine choice.
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Old 11-03-2011, 04:46 PM
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Well Jen
think of it as if you had a whole stack of big brothers... we all have an opinion, not all in agreement but all with the best of intentions and your best interest at heart...
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Old 11-04-2011, 06:48 AM
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I think all you guys are great and I do appreciate all the insight you's have to offer.

Most have been there and done that. And believe you me. I do/am heading all your warnings. I've even thought about getting a lower cost Miller/hobart/lincoln for the interim and the going rate for 200amps is about 1500.00 on a newer machine. Still double what i'll be spending Today

I've been tossing this New MIG welder stuff around for a couple of years now and keep thinking that maybe this year I'll be able to afford my dream machine, but it just doesn't happen and I'm turning away paying work because of it.

This may sound short sighted and maybe it is.

Today, I'm going up to NH to see these machines in action.. I'll ask all my questions and check everything out.

New Machine in Box for 750.00 or so maybe just the ticket and if I can make the machine pay for itself within a few years and it keeps running then all the better. but,, But if not then it was a fairly cheap learning curve.

From past experience I have been burned with promises of great welding machine and 100% duty cycles (Readywelder II) turns out they need continuous maintenance with severial other factors.

anyhow, for what I paid for one of these (readywelderII cs). I'll be paying less for a more capable machine.

I'll take pic's and keep all you guys informed. I'm leaving here about 9am and should be back by 3pm I'm hoping.

Wish me luck.
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Old 11-04-2011, 07:42 AM
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Jen
if that Italian machine deal does not happen... you might consider looking for a used MM200 in CL or local pennysaver etc... can be found regularly for $400 or less in decent condition... is Bulletproof.. and easy to maintain.. also is really a 250amp machine... they are one of those classic machines that many of us have had ... and many keep as a backup..(me among them)
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http://www.millerwelds.com/om/o1303p_mil.pdf
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