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Old 04-18-2022, 11:20 AM
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Perhaps I am delusional but I see the mentality being promoted in this video as one of the major reasons we on this planet have gotten into the mess we have been in the last two years. I feel too many of us have lost perspective.

It seems corporate dollars have been successfully convincing enough people that what they have is not good enough. They have managed to establish a value system for mainstream society that continues to empower them and ALLOWS them to call the shots.

Who will be the real benefactors when a 3D printer is standard equipment in every home and the printed trash that was once largely limited to the side of the roads in now seeping into our back yards?
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Old 04-18-2022, 01:11 PM
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Who will be the real benefactors when a 3D printer is standard equipment in every home and the printed trash that was once largely limited to the side of the roads in now seeping into our back yards?
What doo you mean ?
Grinding up and re-extruding is being done on a small scale.

Recycling at home is close at hand.

There are Amish kids running printers, and making useful tools with them.
I'll wager they are solar powered.
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Old 04-18-2022, 04:04 PM
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What doo you mean ?.
Have you glanced over to the side of any road or the edge of any parking lot lately? Somehow we have become tolerant of what I would consider an astonishing amount of trash about us. I’m sure that after noticing the infrastructure, a person from just 70 years ago would comment on the amount of litter they see. Generations growing up in this environment accept it as status quo. We have been diluted and have lost perspective. I expect the matter would get worse with 3D printers in the hands of the masses while those who are in control increase their wealth and tighten their grip.

I see a connection between this value system and the state of our social, political and environmental affairs. This is where I may be delusional.
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Old 04-19-2022, 08:55 AM
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I’m sure that after noticing the infrastructure, a person from just 70 years ago would comment on the amount of litter they see.
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:-) I'm one of those (that can compare the environment to 70 years ago) and agree. :-)
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Old 04-19-2022, 09:20 AM
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There is actually a decent size subset of the 3D printer world that is actively trying to handle the issue of recycling. It is of great benefit for them to be able to "make" their own filament if they can. People that want to print cheap stuff are often cheap in the rest of their spending, and if they could manage to go out and collect soda/water bottles and other easily recyclable materials they would.

I have seen a couple of companies that are selling equipment that is sized for the home user to convert their scraps into new filament, but it is a multiple part system and the individual pieces are pricey. When a printer can be picked up for $300, it's hard to sell a recycler that's 10x that cost. As more enter the game I expect it to come down.

And some folks just go out of their way to print/make the pieces they need to get it down themselves. I found pics of a shredder in one of my groups I follow this morning (not my pics, stolen from 'net).
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Old 04-19-2022, 09:24 AM
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Have you glanced over to the side of any road or the edge of any parking lot lately? Somehow we have become tolerant of what I would consider an astonishing amount of trash about us. I’m sure that after noticing the infrastructure, a person from just 70 years ago would comment on the amount of litter they see. Generations growing up in this environment accept it as status quo. We have been diluted and have lost perspective. I expect the matter would get worse with 3D printers in the hands of the masses while those who are in control increase their wealth and tighten their grip.

I see a connection between this value system and the state of our social, political and environmental affairs. This is where I may be delusional.
yes, now that the snow is gone, and the brush has not greened up, there is allot of trash out there....I'm not blind.

But you didn't READ what I wrote, people are presently RECYCLING printed items, to make more printed items everyday, in their own homes.

Please try to read post #15 from Dubby, if you can.

And then this:
" I expect the matter would get worse with 3D printers in the hands of the masses while those who are in control increase their wealth and tighten their grip."

Is just political double speak.

The ability to make custom items at home is "grip tightening" ????

Allot of what you see on the roadside is PACKAGING....something a purchased product (from those grip tighteners) has that comes a factory.

Printing at home eliminates all that, the factories, all the warehouses, and trucking.

But you won't read what I wrote, and just spew more nonsensical jibberish....

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Old 04-19-2022, 10:36 AM
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But you won't read what I wrote, and just spew more nonsensical jibberish....
You could have called me delusional instead of insulting me. A whiff of my breath should settle an doubts you may have about me.

Well I can see where this is going.

While I will argue that 3D printers empower the user to improve their condition this is not what was referring to. There is usually a chain of events that take place when something is added or removed. If one were inclined to do so, they will see the hidden cost to things that have been touted to increase speed, convenience, or comfort in our lives.

I see the possibility of establishing a new “elite” or further empowering existing ones from potential revenue generated from mass sales of the printers. What about monitoring systems in the machines? Will they somehow eventually create a dependency on these machines as they have done with other systems? Will those in control then have another avenue for manipulation by limiting or supplying at their discretion?
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Old 04-19-2022, 10:52 AM
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Modern consumer printers are like toys: more disposable junk.

Consumer 3-D printers can be little more in my mind.

They will make a few costly parts, on the third try, maybe.

Post processing can be a PITA.

They will fail quickly and be a PITA to get fixed.

But I see a real market for big industrial 3-d printers that can print masonry and pre-cure it so it doesn't need formwork.
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Old 04-19-2022, 11:38 AM
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I will agree that the guy in the video seems a bit off. But then again, when you meet a nerd who really understands computers, aren’t they a bit off too? Computer guys that understand computers think a bit different. If computers were that easy to understand at the software programming level, then everyone would do it.

I’ve played a bit with my sons 3-d printer. It challenged me a bit in learning to use my cad software a bit better to make 3-d drawings.

And I’ve made several items that keeps test fits pins at work better organized, and a couple hammer holders that keeps them close at hand and off of the bench. And I don’t have to open a drawer to get it when I need. And punches have homes too, along with my water bottle holder. It nice to be able to make custom organizers that fit how you work. I could have made them from wood, but it was a fun learning project.

I can see where these toy 3-d printers can help give some kids a leg up when it comes to the new world of CNC machining. Like it or not, that is one of the reasons we have such abundant stuff made so cheap these days. I’m not saying it is better than 100 years ago, but honestly how many of us are willing to go back to the days when you had a horse to get around, and you had to plant and grow all your own food, cut trees down by hand to make your house, and go outside to use the outhouse.

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I belong to r/fosscad on reddit.com. Yes, you WILL need to create a reddit account to join the "subreddit" as many are "private". Fosscad subject matter involves making guns and gun parts on 3D printers, often the $100 Ender (with upgrades).

I do NOT have a 3D printer nor do I plan on getting one soon but I find it interesting to see the development and troubleshooting involved in making gun frames and parts. Files to use to print are open source and freely available. There are many challenges such as bridges and supports as the print is built up and exact temperatures and deposit rates only determined by trial and error. There are many failures...

NO ONE is going to buy/use a 3D printer to make a gun to use specifically in a crime. So don't believe ANY of that BS Bidet and all those other assholes are spouting. Frames can take over a day to print and be of tenuous quality. Plus, you are still going to need hardened metal parts for most any caliber such as rails, slides, hammers, barrels, etc.

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