Shop Floor Talk  

Go Back   Shop Floor Talk > Welding and Metalworking Forums > Mechanical & Electrical

SFT Search:   
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 08-17-2020, 03:25 AM
Camaro Zach's Avatar
Camaro Zach Camaro Zach is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alvin Texas
Posts: 765
Default

Have you thought about making your own steering arms that bolt to the top of the knuckles to achieve your desired Ackerman angle?

You will need to source some older d44 passenger side knuckles and machine them. Or you could run 4 drivers side knuckles if making your own steering arms. (Already drilled/tapped and cheap/free)
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	7EB009BE-DD22-4260-BED6-8EAF47D205FE.jpg
Views:	142
Size:	193.6 KB
ID:	157347  
__________________
Buggy
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 08-17-2020, 05:08 PM
unfinished unfinished is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Rust Belt
Posts: 86
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro Zach View Post
Have you thought about making your own steering arms that bolt to the top of the knuckles to achieve your desired Ackerman angle?

You will need to source some older d44 passenger side knuckles and machine them. Or you could run 4 drivers side knuckles if making your own steering arms. (Already drilled/tapped and cheap/free)

Yes that's good idea and would also move up or get rid of the low hanging tie rod. I see some steering arms on ebay pre-made. And I have one more drivers knuckle in inventory for a 6 lug 10 bolt axle. Just have to source one more. Hmm... I may still order a couple steering arms because I need to replace the silly u-shaped factory ones.



Currently the front tie rod is just a piece of wood, and is causing some toe in. I need to figure out what i got for steering and how bad it is. Maybe spend some time with the front axle on jack stands, get the toe-in near zero, and use a pair of lasers attached to outside of rims pointing forward to see what my steering angles are and what exactly my ackerman angles are at.


If you think about it, same front axle for short bed, long bed and crew long bed wheelbases at that time for those trucks. So clearly whatever is built in to the steering arms is ok over a range of wheelbases. Now that may be completely different after going to a 90 inch wheelbase and narrowing the axle by 16".


Maybe best thing is just to get it together in the simplest way, ie. the factory layout. If its really problematic during the first test drives, I can revisit and add/subtract some metal.
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 08-17-2020, 05:43 PM
Camaro Zach's Avatar
Camaro Zach Camaro Zach is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alvin Texas
Posts: 765
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by unfinished View Post
Yes that's good idea and would also move up or get rid of the low hanging tie rod. I see some steering arms on ebay pre-made. And I have one more drivers knuckle in inventory for a 6 lug 10 bolt axle. Just have to source one more. Hmm... I may still order a couple steering arms because I need to replace the silly u-shaped factory ones.



Currently the front tie rod is just a piece of wood, and is causing some toe in. I need to figure out what i got for steering and how bad it is. Maybe spend some time with the front axle on jack stands, get the toe-in near zero, and use a pair of lasers attached to outside of rims pointing forward to see what my steering angles are and what exactly my ackerman angles are at.


If you think about it, same front axle for short bed, long bed and crew long bed wheelbases at that time for those trucks. So clearly whatever is built in to the steering arms is ok over a range of wheelbases. Now that may be completely different after going to a 90 inch wheelbase and narrowing the axle by 16".


Maybe best thing is just to get it together in the simplest way, ie. the factory layout. If its really problematic during the first test drives, I can revisit and add/subtract some metal.
I have an extra drivers side knuckle you can have for the price of shipping.

Note that you will only be able to use 2 of the off the shelf arms. The hole pattern is not symmetrical and will require a reverse layout on the passenger side if using all drivers side knuckles.
__________________
Buggy
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 08-17-2020, 09:37 PM
unfinished unfinished is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Rust Belt
Posts: 86
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro Zach View Post
I have an extra drivers side knuckle you can have for the price of shipping.

Note that you will only be able to use 2 of the off the shelf arms. The hole pattern is not symmetrical and will require a reverse layout on the passenger side if using all drivers side knuckles.

If you dont have plans for the knuckle, sure I'll buy it off you. Before I got your reply, I did find a complete 10 bolt 8 lug axle locally. I will pick that up soon, its got calipers too which i need. Can pretty much get the 10 bolt axles for 100 bucks anytime, I don't feel too bad about cutting them up.


Interesting, I forgot about the tapered wedges for the bolts, thinking i could just flip upside down. But yeah, the bolt arrangemnt will be backwards as well.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 08-19-2020, 07:00 PM
Camaro Zach's Avatar
Camaro Zach Camaro Zach is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alvin Texas
Posts: 765
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by unfinished View Post
If you dont have plans for the knuckle, sure I'll buy it off you. Before I got your reply, I did find a complete 10 bolt 8 lug axle locally. I will pick that up soon, its got calipers too which i need. Can pretty much get the 10 bolt axles for 100 bucks anytime, I don't feel too bad about cutting them up.


Interesting, I forgot about the tapered wedges for the bolts, thinking i could just flip upside down. But yeah, the bolt arrangemnt will be backwards as well.
Finally dug it out.

I recently sold just two of my spare 8 lug hub/rotors and backing plates for $200 they don’t come up very often down here.

Send me your address if you are still interested. Should be around $20 shipping.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1FCD2A27-07BD-4176-87CF-6FC102406C15.jpg
Views:	129
Size:	201.6 KB
ID:	157373  
__________________
Buggy
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 08-19-2020, 11:18 PM
unfinished unfinished is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Rust Belt
Posts: 86
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Camaro Zach View Post
Finally dug it out.

I recently sold just two of my spare 8 lug hub/rotors and backing plates for $200 they don’t come up very often down here.

Send me your address if you are still interested. Should be around $20 shipping.

Thanks. I'll send PM soon. I was trying to research if this has been done, running two drivers side knuckles and high steer, and coming up empty.



I'm also going to look closer at the current steering this weekend and see what exactly I'm working with.

Last edited by unfinished; 08-19-2020 at 11:19 PM. Reason: quote
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Web Search:

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions Inc.