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Old 07-06-2022, 09:20 AM
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The $22 bottle will last you a while. I swapped out to it when I bought my saw new nearly a decade ago. I've replaced the oil in the saw twice and have enough left for one more, maybe two swaps.

Inside the gear case still looks new.
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Old 07-06-2022, 10:18 AM
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It isn't, GL-5 gear oils contain sulfur, and for steel hypoid gears, that is great!
But not for bronze. What they do is add a yellow metal corrosion inhibitor, that
gives an initial 1A/B result on ASTM D130 test. So they claim it is safe.

However, if you test the same oil after a few hundred or a few thousand hours
of use it would not pass. The inhibitor gets consumed in the system and then
the SIB (sulfurized isobutylene) eats copper and it alloys.

BTW, this is what I do for a living.

https://lubeperformanceadditives.com/files/Elco-391.pdf

One of my companies products, we claim it but we know better. It is marketing.
Damn marketing wank haha, appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

This morning I tried calling about 20 places and unfortunately they either don't have any or they only sell huge quantities.

So my options at this point are:

1) buy overpriced mobile1 oil online

2) buy royal purple and do oil changes every couple hundred hours of run time

3) use penzoil gear and axle oil sae 80w 90 - it was recommended by one guy I called. I guess it's similar to royal purple and the additives will degrade though and the specs aren't right
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Old 07-06-2022, 11:08 AM
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Damn marketing wank haha, appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

3) use penzoil gear and axle oil sae 80w 90 - it was recommended by one guy I called. I guess it's similar to royal purple and the additives will degrade though and the specs aren't right
My apologies to Ron for this:
I have used white lithium grease with a squirt of motor oil added and had no issues. White lithium is very oily, and I remove the Chinese Yellow Yak Fat from the angle grinder gearboxes and put lithium in and the heat goes way down.

If you are going to use penzoil gear oil, don't- get the right stuff.
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Old 07-06-2022, 02:12 PM
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Damn marketing wank haha, appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

This morning I tried calling about 20 places and unfortunately they either don't have any or they only sell huge quantities.

So my options at this point are:

1) buy overpriced mobile1 oil online

2) buy royal purple and do oil changes every couple hundred hours of run time

3) use penzoil gear and axle oil sae 80w 90 - it was recommended by one guy I called. I guess it's similar to royal purple and the additives will degrade though and the specs aren't right
You should be able to find a Mobil distributor, or call a Petro Canada distributor and see if they have a Worm Gear oil.

ANY automotive oil will fuck up you worm gear; changing it often will not solve the problem.

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My apologies to Ron for this:
I have used white lithium grease with a squirt of motor oil added and had no issues. White lithium is very oily, and I remove the Chinese Yellow Yak Fat from the angle grinder gearboxes and put lithium in and the heat goes way down.

If you are going to use penzoil gear oil, don't- get the right stuff.
Most white lithium grease are not EP greases, so no sulfur, you are likely just fine with it. Sulfur in an engine oil is in the form of ZDDP so it is pretty well tied up. Not much of a corrosion issue there.

Worm gear oils are also know as compounded oils, very old term. 5-10% prime burning lard oil in a paraffin base stock.

You want a WORM GEAR OIL. Call around and find one. DO NOT use any automotive gear oil...
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Old 07-06-2022, 03:02 PM
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You should be able to find a Mobil distributor, or call a Petro Canada distributor and see if they have a Worm Gear oil.

ANY automotive oil will fuck up you worm gear; changing it often will not solve the problem.


Most white lithium grease are not EP greases, so no sulfur, you are likely just fine with it. Sulfur in an engine oil is in the form of ZDDP so it is pretty well tied up. Not much of a corrosion issue there.

Worm gear oils are also know as compounded oils, very old term. 5-10% prime burning lard oil in a paraffin base stock.

You want a WORM GEAR OIL. Call around and find one. DO NOT use any automotive gear oil...
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/...-distributors/

There's only one listed mobil distributor in my area - called them and they can only sell a 20L drum. Couldn't find any petro canada distributors info online but I think I might have talked to some earlier this morning and they only sell the 20L drum as well.

I have tons of white lithium grease and motor oil laying around, I think I'll go that route. Is it safe to clean the remaining transmission oil out of the gearbox with brake cleaner?
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Old 07-06-2022, 03:17 PM
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What part of Ontario?

Call some mobile industrial mechanics/millwright services. Some of them may be able to sell you a small amount from a drum or bulk tank.

You could ask the distributors if there’s any large volume buyers that may resell to you as well.


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Old 07-06-2022, 03:21 PM
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https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/...-distributors/

There's only one listed mobil distributor in my area - called them and they can only sell a 20L drum. Couldn't find any petro canada distributors info online but I think I might have talked to some earlier this morning and they only sell the 20L drum as well.

I have tons of white lithium grease and motor oil laying around, I think I'll go that route. Is it safe to clean the remaining transmission oil out of the gearbox with brake cleaner?
Can't see why not, blow it clean with air after.

EDIT In your case I would use a bit of mineral or hydraulic oil if you need to thin the lithium grease. I mentioned motor oil but angle grinder gears are not bronze. I am surprised that no one in Onterrible has the right stuff in small quantities.
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Old 07-06-2022, 06:08 PM
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What about this stuff?



Opps, read the thread. I posted up the same stuff again.
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Old 07-06-2022, 06:16 PM
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Opps, read the thread. I posted up the same stuff again.
Sorry.
Engineers... smh...
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Old 07-07-2022, 07:23 AM
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Okay, not sure how this got routed but I have a good solution for your worm gear oil in Onterrible.

PM me your email and I can forward you the email.

Also for your band saw application the conventional is just fine, I would be a tiny bit worried about
seal compatibility with a synthetic, last thing you need is a leaky seal. and your load is mild.

Hopefully you can get a quart or a gallon option and not a pail.

That is part of the reason I like McMaster, they have small packaging options.

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Hello Ron,

We have two products that you could use:
· Synthetic lubricant – Synduro SHB 460 = SYND460
· Conventional Lubricant – Enduratex Mild Worm Gear Oil 460 = ENTW460

The recommendation would be to go synthetic and use Synduro SHB 460

Thank you,

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