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Old 11-24-2011, 05:00 PM
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After trying to come up with a home brew antifreeze concoction to add to the distilled water, for the tig cooler I built, just gave up and bought a gallon of Miller. $31.25 shipped.
I thought this was outrageous till I walked into the auto parts and saw automotive antifreeze priced at $16.99. What in the world is going on.
I keep my tig welder in my attached garage and I don't think it has ever gotten cold enough in there to freeze anything, but better to play it safe I guess.

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Old 11-24-2011, 05:16 PM
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After trying to come up with a home brew antifreeze concoction to add to the distilled water, for the tig cooler I built, just gave up and bought a gallon of Miller. $31.25 shipped.
I thought this was outrageous till I walked into the auto parts and saw automotive antifreeze priced at $16.99. What in the world is going on.
I keep my tig welder in my attached garage and I don't think it has ever gotten cold enough in there to freeze anything, but better to play it safe I guess.

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Why can't you just use automotive antifreeze?
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:35 PM
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Why can't you just use automotive antifreeze?
A lot of them have stop-leak in the formula which may clog tight passages like in the torch head....
That said I ran 50/50 Prestone - distilled water in my coolers for many years with zero problems..... BUT ... when I bought the New Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner... I decided to play it safe and spend the extra on the Miller coolant to keep the warrantee in effect......

This is a topic that seems always to bring quite a bit of controversy and difference of opinion... like the subject of compressor oil...
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:53 PM
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Automotive antifreeze has silica in it to form clots in weeping areas. That is the white stuff you usually see around and area that has been seeping for sometime.


Some say Sierra or low tox which is supposed to be made out of PROPYLENE GLYCOL instead of etheyene glycol.


I've done lots of research and some say it's all a bunch of poppy cok. And just use RV antifreeze. Others just use Distilled water in warmer area's.

I've been thinking about this same delema since I have both Dyna and Yeti that need it.

I have 1 gallon of the Miller stuff left and 1 gallon of Coolit.

It cost 99.50 for the 100% Propylene Glycol plus shipping of 43.00. But this is basically a 100% product with lubricatants an PH balancers all ready put in. Which means I can dilute it to get more usage per gallon.


5 gallons will last me a few years. Dyna takes 4 gallons and Yeti takes 2 so it might be the only way to go.

Dyna is also out of warranty in a few more years so till then I guess I have to use their stuff.

I'll email them tomorrow to get the low down.
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I wouldn't use auto antifreeze because of the stop-leak or whatever in it. We use the "Defense" concentrated antifreeze. http://weldingdirect.com Cheap enough.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:37 PM
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This is from Millers PDF flyer.

Coolants
Sold in multiples of four in 1-gallon
recyclable plastic bottles. Miller coolants
contain a base of ethylene glycol and
deionized water to protect against freezing
to -37°F (-38°C) or boiling to 227°F (108°C).
Low-Conductivity Coolant
(Clear, Pre-Mixed) #043 810
For TIG and MIG applications. NOT for use
in push-pull systems or systems where
aluminum is in coolant path/circuit.

Aluminum-Protecting Coolant
(Green, Pre-Mixed) #043 809
Primarily used in push-pull systems where
aluminum is in coolant path/circuit and high frequency is NOT used.

The funny thing is is most cooler radiators are alum vs copper now so what is the difference?

Also, the stuff on PPD's site is said to be pink in color. My anti freeze for my Audi is pink. It is all so confusing.
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Old 11-24-2011, 07:01 PM
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This is from Millers PDF flyer.

Coolants
Sold in multiples of four in 1-gallon
recyclable plastic bottles. Miller coolants
contain a base of ethylene glycol and
deionized water to protect against freezing
to -37°F (-38°C) or boiling to 227°F (108°C).
Low-Conductivity Coolant
(Clear, Pre-Mixed) #043 810
For TIG and MIG applications. NOT for use
in push-pull systems or systems where
aluminum is in coolant path/circuit.

Aluminum-Protecting Coolant
(Green, Pre-Mixed) #043 809
Primarily used in push-pull systems where
aluminum is in coolant path/circuit and high frequency is NOT used.

The funny thing is is most cooler radiators are alum vs copper now so what is the difference?

Also, the stuff on PPD's site is said to be pink in color. My anti freeze for my Audi is pink. It is all so confusing.

Looks like I bungled it again. I went out and pumped out 1 gal. of distilled water then added the gallon of coolant. I let it run for about an hour. I was thinking more for the anti algae than the freezing aspect. So i"m reading your reply about the aluminum and I go out and read the label and it's the "not for aluminum" type. My radiator is copper, but my tank is aluminum. Any one know what this stuff does to aluminum. Will I go out tomorrow and find a smoking pile of toxic waste. I wasn't aware there were different types till today. That teaches me a lesson, ask first on SFT, before doing.
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