F150 Lightning

[mccutter]

Originally Posted by Shade Tree Welder

That is a lot of money to put into a 150,000 mile car. And if you don't do the battery swap, you have nothing but a pile of hazmat with no resale value.

I'm going to advocate for the devil here and say that at 150k, many ICE vehicles are at end of life unless money is put into them. Timing belt/chain replacement: >$1000, transmission: >$2500, engine (if belt/chain fails): >$4000. Yes, paying this money will allow you to get greater value out of an ICE but you also have to consider the other maintenance costs such as oil changes, filters and spark plugs that are not incurred with an EV. And a dead ICE vehicle is also a pile of hazmat...

Originally Posted by Shade Tree Welder

...I have spoken to a number of them at lease the NA grid upgrades would not be all that difficult, 3-5 years where needed, out here in the boonies nothing is needed.

There is a stretch of road I drive where they have just put in a number of massive power poles (compared to what was there). They have/are putting in 1000s of housing units at about the same area. So I'm wondering if the infrastructure is for homes yet to be built? I'll have to stop and take some pics instead of driving by so you can see what makes me and the wild creatures sad. All I can say is FLORIDA IS FULL! DO NOT MOVE HERE!

[Shade Tree Welder]

Originally Posted by JohnBoy

The problem in much of Europe is people don't have driveways as they have on street parking. EVs only work imo if you can charge them at home

That did come up as an issue at the EV conf. I was at in Birmingham.

One solution was parking garages where you rent a space with a charger,
but then you are walking home a bit. But it is one possible option.

[Shade Tree Welder]

Originally Posted by mccutter

I'm going to advocate for the devil here and say that at 150k, many ICE vehicles are at end of life unless money is put into them. Timing belt/chain replacement: >$1000, transmission: >$2500, engine (if belt/chain fails): >$4000. Yes, paying this money will allow you to get greater value out of an ICE but you also have to consider the other maintenance costs such as oil changes, filters and spark plugs that are not incurred with an EV. And a dead ICE vehicle is also a pile of hazmat...

Yes and now, even if you have an engine or trans replaced it is an order of magnitude cheaper than a Li ion battery. Also ICE vehicle are much more readily recyclable than a EV. The metals in an ICE, mostely steel and aluminum are readily separable and recyclable. Copper in an EV creates a number of issues with recycling steel. It has to be manually separated. Magnetic separation does not work when you have windings. And copper kills steel recycling. Aluminum is only a small problem, and sometimes beneficial depending on the final grade of steel. Li cannot be effectively recycled from Li-ion batteries.

Once you remove the lead acid battery and the oils there is little hazmat in a ICE car.

Originally Posted by mccutter

All I can say is FLORIDA IS FULL! DO NOT MOVE HERE!

No worries, FL like TX the weather would kill me. Albeit, I like your politics.

[JohnBoy]

Originally Posted by mccutter

I'm going to advocate for the devil here and say that at 150k, many ICE vehicles are at end of life unless money is put into them. Timing belt/chain replacement: >$1000, transmission: >$2500, engine (if belt/chain fails): >$4000. Yes, paying this money will allow you to get greater value out of an ICE but you also have to consider the other maintenance costs such as oil changes, filters and spark plugs that are not incurred with an EV. And a dead ICE vehicle is also a pile of hazmat... ;

I'd agree, but I think at 150k miles there's a much greater chance of the battery writing off a car than a conventional engine.


There's loads of engines that go on a lot longer than that with nothing but routine servicing but batteries will wear out, maybe at higher, maybe lower miles. But on balance I'd take my chances with a 150k mile Passat Vs a 150k mile model 3

[CaddmannQ]

I did this 10 years ago.

We went to the local car dealers looking for a car for my wife. Everybody had an electric car in the showroom, so I fawned over it until the salesman thought I was interested.

Then I would ask him how much does it cost to change the batteries on this thing?

Nobody had any clue. Nobody offered to find out. They all just tried to change the subject.

Basically I just shook my head and walked away as I told them, “Anybody can tell me how much it costs to change that Genuine Toyota battery in my Tacoma. So WTF guys?”

Of course I would never buy just an electric car. I have a car and a truck and a boat and a motorcycle and 4 bicycles (no more airplanes but I’m still living the dream guys) and I would consider adding an electric vehicle to that but not replacing any of it with one. Not even my bicycle.

[yooper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e55Vued028

[Whitetrash]

The Tech at work is a Farm Kid from Iowa [I call him a Kid he's probably 30 years old] He has a lot of connections with folks back in Iowa including the local VFD. They had a Tesla catch fire did what they usually do poured water on it and poured water on it. The SOB wouldn't stop burning the local boys being practical Iowa farm folk said "Fuck This" They rounded up a front end loader dug a pit filled it with water and pushed the Tesla in "Problem Solved"

[toprecycler]

Originally Posted by Whitetrash

The Tech at work is a Farm Kid from Iowa [I call him a Kid he's probably 30 years old] He has a lot of connections with folks back in Iowa including the local VFD. They had a Tesla catch fire did what they usually do poured water on it and poured water on it. The SOB wouldn't stop burning the local boys being practical Iowa farm folk said "Fuck This" They rounded up a front end loader dug a pit filled it with water and pushed the Tesla in "Problem Solved"

Sometimes it is just best to let it burn. Less mess to clean up that way. Just focus on keeping surrounding areas from catching on fire.


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[slip knot]

I wonder if the Fire Depts will start charging for an EV fire. I saw a sign on a parking garage in Houston a few weeks ago that forbid EVs from parking there. I bet an EV fire in a parking garage would be pretty bad.

[Shade Tree Welder]

Originally Posted by slip knot

I wonder if the Fire Depts will start charging for an EV fire. I saw a sign on a parking garage in Houston a few weeks ago that forbid EVs from parking there. I bet an EV fire in a parking garage would be pretty bad.

If an EV burns when parked and destroys the cars on either side
will the EV insurance cover collateral damage?