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Old 01-20-2020, 07:16 AM
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I don’t want to get the whole Ford, Chevy, Mopar thing going here...well, maybe a little

But, the blue looks a helluva lot better than the red.


If you are referring to the pics of the feeders in post #8, be careful of judging those. They are not the same quality machines. The red Lincoln is a 140 amp 110 volt machine. It may run on 220 V too, but still only 140 amps max output. The miller (blue one) is just a wire feeder. That one needs an external power source. The last job i was at had two of those being fed by 300 amp power supplies. That is totally different animal. Could burn holes in 3/4” thick material turned up right.

Lincoln has machines capable of doing that to. Just have to get a bigger one than usually available at TSC.

Red vs Blue does usually become a personal preference like Ford vs Chevy though.


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Old 01-20-2020, 09:42 AM
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Actually, my Lincoln is a 170 amp machine, but still the critical components are plastic and look exactly like that. That was my point in the pictures. The Millers I've seen are metal drive systems.
That said, the Lincoln has taken flight from the top of a combine, and was ok except for the landing. Most the plastic broke, but not the feed mechanism. I have glued the front back together, and replaced the plastic hinge with steel and pop rivets. Electrically it still works fine.

I suspect most of the lower end machines are built of plastic, the esab I looked at is. I just prefer the rigidity of steel and aluminum.

My Miller feeder is fed by a Thermal Arc 400, but any CV source will do.
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Old 01-20-2020, 12:20 PM
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I have a Lincoln MiG SP-100. Made new about 1985 or so. I bought it used about 4 years old for $400. I remember going to the bank and refinancing my truck loan at the time to get the cash for it. Was only making $4 an hour just weeks out of high school, so didn’t know the value of having savings yet.

Thirty years later, it still works good. But parts are nonexistent for it. I have modified a different diffuser for it to take different tips that I can still get.

I think the plastic feeder part is cracked, and I ordered a new one 25 years ago, and it still in in welding cart, never put on. It has always worked, so why pull it down til it stops working?


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Transformer Hobart 140 Mig vs Inverter Klutch 140 Mig. $300 price difference at Northern, I will have a bottle on it. Thoughts??
If you look at the Hobart 140 the feeder is cast aluminum body.

https://www.amazon.com/Hobart-500559.../dp/B009X43F38
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If you have 240V electric supply, the Hobart Handler 190 is a nice unit. $650 at the moment:

https://www.amazon.com/Hobart-500554...24&s=hi&sr=1-3
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Old 01-20-2020, 07:06 PM
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Both of my Lincoln mig welders (PM216 and MP210) have all metal drive systems, they are higher end machines than you find at a box store though. Lincoln makes machines in several different tiers of quality and pricing and puts their name on all of them, as well as having some spin offs like century brand welders. Miller mostly only puts its name and blue paint on its higher end machines, and the entry level stuff is badged as hobart. It can be very difficult to compare apples to apples. You really have to compare 2 specific models dollar for dollar and feature for feature to compare the two brands.

To get back to the original question, I am not familiar with klutch brand welders. I did use a hobart handler 175 for a couple years and was happy enough with it. You could buy most of the consumables at Tractor Supply. It was a little bit finicky to adjust. After measuring the wire feed speed at different settings on the knob I came to the conclusion it was really best suited to run .023 wire, but I bought my lincoln 216 before I really got into that any farther.
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You may want to check into one of these: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...2293_200712293.
It is dual voltage, 120/240, multi process mig and stick and comes with a spoolgun as well. I have a friend that has one and uses it regularly and is very happy with it! I am thinking of getting one myself.
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If you have 240V electric supply, the Hobart Handler 190 is a nice unit. $650 at the moment:



https://www.amazon.com/Hobart-500554...24&s=hi&sr=1-3

Highly recommend you spring for a 220v machine. You will likely be disappointed in a 110v machine.

I have a Hobart 210. It has taps instead of continuous heat range but never been a problem finding the sweet spot. No screen or menus to mess with. Just 2 dials and a power switch. Put hundreds of pounds of wire through it with no issues. It’s a transformer machine. Less efficient than an inverter maybe, but less to go wrong too. Suits us well



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...Highly recommend you spring for a 220v machine. You will likely be disappointed in a 110v machine...
Yup, in my opinion 110 V machines are a waste of time.

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..Put hundreds of pounds of wire through it with no issues. It’s a frank former machine. Less efficient than an inverter maybe, but less to go wrong too. Suits us well...
The newer inverter machines are pretty neat, mainly because of their low power draw but I doubt I'll ever own one, especially at my age. If I were 20 years younger I'd be all over one.

Still, the old transformer welders work just fine; cumulatively over the last 40-50 years they've run millions and millions of pounds of wire on every conceivable part one could imagine...
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