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Old 09-03-2019, 12:46 PM
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Jen,

If you haven't laid out your shop on paper, doing it is easier than rearranging heavy equipment. Do it on graph paper drawn pretty much to scale and cut out the square/rectangle/circle denoting each piece of equipment, anvil stand, work bench, etc. Creating flow patterns and eliminating clinch points is easy to spot on paper. As I am a hermit, will only get to visit your facility through your videos. Thanks for posting the link, it is now bookmarked! Will your facility be able to utilize veterans benefits/schooling monies? Can see this being a wonderful opportunity for PTSD victims. Good luck in what you are doing.
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Old 09-16-2019, 04:52 AM
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So I have to ask,what size electrical service are we bringing in? I would surely hope 400A 3phase 208v would be a good starting point,based on your square footage and leaving room for future expansion..and based on your roof height a few 200watt LED high bay lighting fixtures could work nicely in there
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Old 09-16-2019, 05:05 AM
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So I have to ask,what size electrical service are we bringing in? I would surely hope 400A 3phase 208v would be a good starting point,based on your square footage and leaving room for future expansion..and based on your roof height a few 200watt LED high bay lighting fixtures could work nicely in there
I love you thinking..

Nope. 240V 1PH. 2, 200amp panels.

No 3ph anywhere close and for the extra ridiculous connection fees if it were even offered wouldn't offer enough advantage to install it.

If the connection to 3ph was free that would be different. Here if it is availible it can cost 10's of thousands of dollars so for just a convenience thing its not worth the extra costs.

the 40hp RPC will power anything I will ever want to put in.

Once you get over the 200amp panel range things jump in price dramatically.

the 2, 200amp panels will handle everything that could ever be needed.
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Old 09-16-2019, 05:12 AM
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Jen,

If you haven't laid out your shop on paper, doing it is easier than rearranging heavy equipment. Do it on graph paper drawn pretty much to scale and cut out the square/rectangle/circle denoting each piece of equipment, anvil stand, work bench, etc. Creating flow patterns and eliminating clinch points is easy to spot on paper. As I am a hermit, will only get to visit your facility through your videos. Thanks for posting the link, it is now bookmarked! Will your facility be able to utilize veterans benefits/schooling monies? Can see this being a wonderful opportunity for PTSD victims. Good luck in what you are doing.
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I have actually visualized in my mind over the last 40 years where things would go. there is some changes because of the layout from north/south to east/west orientation but it was more of a mental adjustment from a left right thing.

Nice thing is nearly everything is on wheels already. the only items not on wheels are the parts washer, the metal lathe, and the flywheel grinder.

Getting these into position are the problem areas. that and the lift. Figuring out a good location for the lift is one of the most daunting aspects to keep room and the ability to move a car in and out without messing up or around with 2 many other things.
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Old 09-16-2019, 11:02 AM
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well Jen if single phase is the solution, do be sure to talk with your power company site rep or engineer and request a minimum of a 50kva or better yet, 75kva transformer(300A) for motor start service. You'd be surprised at how many installations go to all the effort to prepare for a reasonable electrical service only to be choked down by an undersized transformer. FWIW
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Old 09-16-2019, 11:19 AM
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240V 1PH. 2, 200amp panels.

the 40hp RPC will power anything I will ever want to put in.
I have the same in my shop, 2 x 200 amp panels, glad I did it.
Same thing here 3 phase would have cost more than my property
is worth to run, like double...

Do you already have the 40 Hp RPC? If not I would look at VFD
as a better choice.

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Wiser words have never been said.

I have actually visualized in my mind over the last 40 years where things would go. there is some changes because of the layout from north/south to east/west orientation but it was more of a mental adjustment from a left right thing.

Nice thing is nearly everything is on wheels already. the only items not on wheels are the parts washer, the metal lathe, and the flywheel grinder.

Getting these into position are the problem areas. that and the lift. Figuring out a good location for the lift is one of the most daunting aspects to keep room and the ability to move a car in and out without messing up or around with 2 many other things.
When I have done this, I draw the equipment and the work/access areas out
as well, then cut the out and position them on a scale drawing. It works well,
I can over lap work/access areas, I don't worry much about that as generally
I am a solo operator, but as a result, 2 people can make it crowded.
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Old 09-16-2019, 11:23 AM
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I put 5 window in my shop originally. I have deleted 3 of them today, next
shop will not have any, wall space is to valuable. Just my 2 cents worth.

(I just noticed you drawing from a couple of weeks ago.)
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:17 PM
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When I built my small woodshop, I did not put any windows in except what is in the entry door. Nice weather, I roll up the shop door. Otherwise, I don't worry if anyone is gaining access via other entry points (windows). Today's lights are bright and fairly cheap to purchase and cheap to run.
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