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Old 06-22-2019, 11:14 AM
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Back in the day when I worked for Castrol we had a product that was
basically line wash. And we sold it cheap. All we had for it was a sulfur
specification and a viscosity at 40°C. I had a customer that would get
a batch and it was some batch had chlorine in them and some had
phosphorus in them because it was line wash...

So every so often they would bitch about a batch here or there that did
not work as well. So I convinced the sales rep to tell them that it was
line wash. He was hesitant. But we made the visit and explained to
the customer it was line wash. He laughed, turned to his purchasing
manager and said, "See I told you it was line wash you're not as good
as you think you are." (I really had to bite my tongue not to laugh.)
My Sales guy looked like he was going to die.

So the Plant Manager turned to me and asked what we can do to sort
out this issues so every batch machines the same. I had already looked
at the analysis of the batches (bulk) they got and figured out they needed
about 0.5% chlorine or ~1.0% chlorinated paraffin added to each batch.

We discussed how they could do this in their bulk tank, they had a recirc.
line with a good pump. And the sales guy got the a price on the CP in
drums, they need a drum of CP per every bulk tank of cutting oil. They
just added it rather than worry about it.

It was still the cheapest screw machine oil around, CPs are cheap as well.
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Old 06-22-2019, 07:44 PM
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So a less than honest company
could be selling line wash and call it a 303 fluid, and nobody will
call them on it.
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Back in the day when I worked for Castrol we had a product that was
basically line wash.
What is "line wash"?
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:18 AM
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What is "line wash"?
In a chemical plant you will have x number of blend tank or reactors, you will
use common line to get the product from the reactors/BT to the filling and
packaging lines. Some plants will have another storage tank(s) for filling
from, so you can free up the reactors. The old way of doing it is to flush the
lines with something that you use that is in expensive. In our plant since
most of what we make is water soluble we use water. But in a plant were
most of what you make is oil you would use a low viscosity base oil to flush
lines. At Castrol we would use Mineral seal oil, it was a 40 SUS naphthenic
base oil.

With my current company the line wash is mostly water and goes to waste
treatment. At Castrol they had a tank they would pump the line wash into.
If they had too much they would sell it to the cement kiln for BTU value.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:23 AM
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Would a premium hydraulic fluid work in that old Cub?
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:00 AM
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Would a premium hydraulic fluid work in that old Cub?
Not in the transmission, well I wouldn't...

To simplify things, Hydraulic fluids, are generally for just true hydraulic
systems. Generally have 0.5-1% treat rate of the additive system (that
is the part my company makes. Ag hydraulics are at the high end of that
as they have demulsifiers to deal with water, and more rust protection
due to outside work versus their industrial counter parts.

When you start dealing with transmissions you have A LOT more friction
and loads you are dealing with and your additive system can be 4-8% of
the formulation. Gears in a hydraulic pump or motor do not see the same
loads as you would see in a transmission, even for your cub, I would use a
gear oil long before a hydraulic fluid in your tractor.

Most a good Universal Tractor Transmission/Hydraulic Fluid (UTF) is a
transmission fluid first, and everything else is overkill for the hydraulics.

A Hydraulic fluid can lead to excessive wear in the transmission, no matter
how "Premium" it is it will never be a trans fluid.
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Old 06-23-2019, 11:56 AM
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"Line Wash"...learn sunthin new everyday.

FWIW my old friend that had a combo gas station and industrial lubricant
(shell dealer) used to drive his tanker to cleveland (the flatts)
to haul fuel, from that tank farm.

He explained there is a pipeline that runs from Houston or thereabouts.
They pump diesel as well as gasoline, and the mixing is very slight.

The stuff that does get mixed, is sent to a tank called "Slush".
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Old 06-24-2019, 10:23 AM
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Not in the transmission, well I wouldn't...

To simplify things, Hydraulic fluids, are generally for just true hydraulic
systems. Generally have 0.5-1% treat rate of the additive system (that
is the part my company makes. Ag hydraulics are at the high end of that
as they have demulsifiers to deal with water, and more rust protection
due to outside work versus their industrial counter parts.

When you start dealing with transmissions you have A LOT more friction
and loads you are dealing with and your additive system can be 4-8% of
the formulation. Gears in a hydraulic pump or motor do not see the same
loads as you would see in a transmission, even for your cub, I would use a
gear oil long before a hydraulic fluid in your tractor.

Most a good Universal Tractor Transmission/Hydraulic Fluid (UTF) is a
transmission fluid first, and everything else is overkill for the hydraulics.

A Hydraulic fluid can lead to excessive wear in the transmission, no matter
how "Premium" it is it will never be a trans fluid.



The old Cub has a conventional tranny..Just uses old school tranny oil... I need something to put in the touch control unit for the hydraulics...All it does is raise the mid mount mower and the half ass three point. I'm trying to sell this thing and want to go with something cheaper than hy tran....
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:29 PM
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Well in that case yak fat will do.
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:30 PM
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The old Cub has a conventional tranny..Just uses old school tranny oil... I need something to put in the touch control unit for the hydraulics...All it does is raise the mid mount mower and the half ass three point. I'm trying to sell this thing and want to go with something cheaper than hy tran....
That information would have been helpful in the first post...

Yes get any Ag Hydraulic oil, you'll be good.
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:31 PM
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Well in that case yak fat will do.
Not any yak fat, only the low viscosity grade.
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