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Old 12-21-2018, 01:47 PM
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Whoever is spec'ing out not SMAW is an idiot.
Or is making the assumption the person doing the work very well could be. No offense intended to anyone reading this (okay my PC moment is done.)
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Old 12-21-2018, 04:08 PM
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316 or 309 electrode/filler material. The higher alloy content prevents
carbide formation (embrittlement) in the stainless side of the weld. 309 is
generally recommend because it saves a little money over 316 filler. DO
NOT use 304!

When stick welding have a good bevel as the SS rod do not penetrate well.

But if you prep the parts well the SMAW process is every bit as strong as
Mig or Tig. Whoever is spec'ing out not SMAW is an idiot.
I just picked up a 20lb. tube of 309L 10lb of 316 and let me tell you the LWS are proud of it have no idea of what they are going to hit me for, For the two 11lb spools of 316 and 309 and the new 300 gas bottle and tri gas it has not come in yet... And will prolly show up after the deadline you would not think it would be so hard to acquire SS consumables but I had to go to three different WS's in order to get 316 and 309 electrodes'
and none of then have any tri gasses in stock they all said they had been hit hard by other companies for SS supplies and consumables and all were below bare bones on the shelf in store...

SO now I got this a bit better situated in my head

I will weld the 316 SS tabs to the 316 SS base tube using 316.... electrode
Then I will weld the 316 tabs to the 304 tabs using 309 electrode
And then I will weld the carbon steel tabs to the 310 tab as well as welding the 304 tabs to the carbon steel using the 309 filler and or electrode

Have not been given a reason as to why they did not want stick/SMAW
but things may have changed due to the bind their in and I can't do it in TIG or MIG due to wind conditions so I opted to convince them Stick/SMAW is the only other option I have to do the repairs So test welds today and ill know by tomorrow if they accept it as I don't see a problem but don't really know what their issues is or was with it..





The 309 will be used to weld the SS to the carbon steel
The 316 will be used to weld the 316 to the 316L
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Old 12-21-2018, 04:17 PM
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Or is making the assumption the person doing the work very well could be. .)
Well Dr. Dean...…….. Well hell I won't argue the point with ya... I have been for the last two weeks running on an overflowing tank of pure Stress an well I've been accused of being just that from time to time So no point in me arguing it.... As I'll be the first to admit I sometimes do resemble that remark...

Trying to take out a flock of birds with one stone just hasn't been my strong point lately.....
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Old 12-21-2018, 04:24 PM
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I'm pretty sure we all fall into that category at some point in our lives, some fall into it just can't seem to get back up. Hmm I wonder if there's a life alert pendant we could give them. I work with a guy like that, it won't be life alert it'll be dumbass alert! There will be a voice that comes on and says just stop what you are doing and step away you are a dumbass! I really need the laughing with tears emoji here!


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I'm pretty sure we all fall into that category at some point in our lives, some fall into it just can't seem to get back up. Hmm I wonder if there's a life alert pendant we could give them. I work with a guy like that, it won't be life alert it'll be dumbass alert! There will be a voice that comes on and says just stop what you are doing and step away you are a dumbass! I really need the laughing with tears emoji here!


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ROLMAO! yep yep.... Heck I think I might need one my self sometimes
it would be almost useful if ya think about it.... was a time I could just step back clear my head and the answer just appears out of nowhere but as of late if they had me on a stress monitor it would prolly catch fire and glow for a week or two....
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Old 12-22-2018, 02:46 PM
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Believe it or not I was making that shit up as I was typing it. I tend to deal with stress with humor and have been known to make up some pretty good ones. That's where my truck driver theory came from, a true trucker is genetically predisposed to drive a truck. Some people like my humor some hate it, I really don't give one shit if someone hates it. All that matters is I amuse me.
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The 309 will be used to weld the SS to the carbon steel
The 316 will be used to weld the 316 to the 316L
Good call on the electrode choices vs. application.

Let me know what the cost differential is on the 2 alloy, just curious.

The tri gas mixes work, they do offer less staining on the welds.
The welds are not any better than pure Ar. Ar 2%O works as well.
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Good call on the electrode choices vs. application.

Let me know what the cost differential is on the 2 alloy, just curious.

The tri gas mixes work, they do offer less staining on the welds.
The welds are not any better than pure Ar. Ar 2%O works as well.
Thanks Ron...…..

I did the test welds and where acceptable so I went ahead and did the job today just got back in 30 minuets ago....

Guess the reason was they had others stick weld the stainless before and came out like shit and also did not and the foreman was stuck on all the welds had to be done either by TIG or MIG but the stick got cleared from higher up after seeing the test welds.... and gave the go ahead And seemed to be quite pleased...

I guess my problem was is I just haven't done any in awhile other than TIG on SS exhaust was the last time and used 310 and argon
so being I don't just do welding I do all types of repairs to all types of things so some thing go by for a good while before I have the opportunity to do it again and heck I'm getting older and more forgetful...…

but I think I did ok for what its worth they seemed to be pleased

as far as cost of the electrodes go the 5/32 Radner brand 309 ran 109.00 for 10 lbs. and the 10lb. can of 1/8 Pentacle brand 316 was 138.00 an some change which was so pricy I imagine due to the lack of on shelf...

I don't know what the tri gas and spools of wire are yet as I haven't been invoiced for that stuff just yet but I imagine its not going to be too cheap either... finding any of this was like looking for a needle in a field of hay stacks.... as most WS were sold out... I put 176 miles on my SUV just chasing the two boxes of rod down which really sucked as I called each place first and was told we got it just to find out they had shit in their ears an couldn't understand plain English...…

Here are pics of my first test welds but my welds on the equipment were much better just didn't get pics as I was too darn tired and didn't think of it till after I was half way home I spent more prep time on the equipment pieces than I did the test pieces which I do have aa couple pics of being they were done here at the house.....

some guy there inspected the welds and tried to brake a couple of them with a crescent and said he was surprised as they did not give any but I guess if he tried real hard he could of but only bent the tabs I welded on so I guess all is good.

The welds to the carbon steel were not as bright as the weld on the 316 to 316 they were nice and bright with no blue spots

Honestly was a bit nervous with all the people there watching kind of made it feel more like a job interview haven't had one of those in 35 years

Any way feel free to let me know what I did wrong or rite on the test welds
pieces or how I could improve when using SS electrodes
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Yeah their names are Ima and the other one is named Eza. Their last name is pronounced due-moss but spelled Dumbass.

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