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Old 04-19-2011, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by thegoogman View Post
Thanks every for all the advice! Unfortunately, the used/scrap industry is a little different here--basically, nobody wants it, especially if it's hard to get to or has be to taken apart. Front end loaders are also out of the question in this case, since we'd first have to get a crane big enough/strong enough to lift it over the seawall....well, that or watch the tides veeeeeery carefully and drive it over from a nearby beach. Even then, once the tide came up, it'd be in water! And we'd have some new scrap! Not to mention a hefty bill... All this means that, as far as we can tell, we have to cut these into small enough pieces to winch up and over the seawall.

We have been able to identify the owners of the containers, and are in process of getting their clearance/approval to cut these things up. We're hoping that the contents of some of them will be valuable enough to convince them, but so far, all we've found in these containers is TONS of tires (anyone need Nitto tires in pretty much any size/shape ever created? )
Can a sand ramp be built on both sides of the sea wall to allow machinery to access the beach? If so that may increase your options.
Good luck.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:10 AM
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I'd vote for a way to get'em back in the water and tug'em away. Watch the moon and winds for the best times.

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Old 04-19-2011, 10:11 AM
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As far as no-one wanting them as too little value for cost....

Scrap prices are rising, a chineese scrap ship will probably
be showing up soon, with an excavator or lattice boom crane
on board (and maybe a magnet) and will have no problems
being on the sea-side of that sea wall.

Now would be a very good time to put anything in those
containers that you don't want to deal with anymore....
radiated things, p.c.b. laden things, asbestos,
Jimmy Hoffa look-alikes...

I see crawler cranes and excavators bolted down to barges all
the time.
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Old 04-19-2011, 02:47 PM
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(1) Empty contents to lighten them. And to make them less "flammable". Even temporarily... A container full of burning tires is NOT a good thing.
(2) At low tide, pump out/shovel out any remaining water/sand/debris, re-close doors (if possible).
(3) Using several large ATVs or similar, or maybe even winches from the seawall, attach straps to the nearest top corners of each container and "roll" the containers, one side at a time, closer to the seawall. The closer you are to the seawall, the easier it will be to pick them up or cut them up.

I would consider using one of the containers as a "ramp", cutting diagonally along the long side on both sides, then positioning the ramps together side-by-side up against the seawall. Welding doors shut and adding braces could make a pretty sturdy structure, maybe even capable of dragging the containers up onto it and over the seawall.

But you'll still need equipment. One would be an engine drive welder which could also power a compressor and plasma cutter. Another would be a tow truck or boom truck (if you can find one). Maybe even put a bid on some tsunami-damaged equipment and fix it up enough so it works for the intended purpose. I don't know if the ATVs would have the power to roll the containers but maybe if you contacted an ATV club or something?

It is good to see you trying to help out in this way. The good you do will come back to you in some way.

There are still large portions of devastation from Hurricane Katrina untouched by anyone except looters and scrappers.

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Old 04-19-2011, 03:28 PM
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If you want GREATLY increased leverage for rolling the containers, use a stout piece of steel pipe or heavy tubing to make a "rollover stick". The pic shows theory, but heavy recovery folks make them larger and tougher as needed. They are mostly loaded in compression.
You could, for example, make a rollover stick with a base spike that sticks into a corner fitting. Hook a chain to the next corner fitting and you would have ample leverage.

Here is some awesome study material. Read heavily and study the pics of heavy recoveries etc. Use the search function.

Ramps per the above post could be laid over a sand ramp for support.
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Old 04-19-2011, 05:48 PM
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Arn't shipping containers paneled with plywood? Something to think about before taking a OA to them.

The last time I was in one it had plywood on every surface except the top on the inside. Helped turn a used one into a radio repeater shack.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:22 PM
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:45 PM
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I have cut openings in them and done some scrapping of damaged pieces.
First, these are painted with a zinc paint and I think zinc coated steel. The panel on the side specs the type of steel to be used in repair. They weld fine when cleaned but are a pain if the paint is still there. Torch cutting is a bit toxic, not as good or as fast as using a dry cut metal saw.
I used a Milwaukee metal saw and it eats them pretty good. Wear ear plugs or your ears will fall off.
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Old 04-20-2011, 03:22 AM
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Be careful when cutting anything large , you cant always know which way the metal will spring or fall, may also cut the hose to your torch.

check out the youtube link in this thread.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:02 AM
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