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Old 10-22-2020, 10:55 PM
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Another source of Witte information:

https://www.jensales.com/search?search=Witte
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Old 10-22-2020, 10:57 PM
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Yet another source of WITTE Engine information,
http://vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex...?id=2173&tab=6
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:41 AM
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Thanks for all the help and links.
Most I have read already.
The key thing is the model which is E20RC, 20 being horsepower, and C being the single flywheel type, which is their latest design under Oilwell.The B was much older and is more highly sought after. Witte was bought years back by Oilwell and then Arrow bought Oilwell, so it is lost in the fog.
When I go to the local pumpjack and compressor shop, they make the sign of the cross when I say the words Oilwell or Witte. They had a less than informative book with a couple exploded views in it and nothing else. They contacted other suppliers and nada.
But I think I am on the right track now, and may have a pinion gear that works for the starter today.
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Old 01-02-2021, 11:19 AM
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I have found the time to get back to this engine. I had to order a left hand rotation starter for it, as I haven't found anyone big enough to start it by hand. 6.25" X 8" bore and stroke.
So experimenting with my propane regulator collection, I found a demand regulator that works on it. It fired once, a big blast out the exhaust. Then nothing.
This tells me that I have a stuck exhaust valve, so I pulled off the rocker box and used a pry bar to pull the valve back. I oiled up the valve stem and tapped it with a hammer all the way in, pried it out and repeat. After about six times the valve snapped back shut on it's own.

Now it runs well, but seemed too fast. My backup generator is powered with a Lister at 650 rpm and this is supposed to be 750 rpm. I put a tach on it at 920rpm and quickly shut it down.
As everything else was butchered and nigger rigged, I started to check the fuel system for this same attitude. The governor rod had been shortened and the throttle lever position altered so it could not close. So I fixed all that and now it idles nicely. It seems in very good shape, no smoke or oily exhaust, 60psi oil pressure, and fires in the first click of the magneto impulse.

But it appears the governor is dead, and I really would like to see a manual or a exploded drawing. If for no other reason, to see where they hid the governor, and if it has an easy access. This may be why the control rod and throttle lever were "fixed".

So far, Smokstak has not given me answers, although the members have these engines.
Sooner or later I will find it.
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Old 01-02-2021, 01:58 PM
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From what I read it is supposed to have a centrifugal weight governor
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Old 01-02-2021, 02:58 PM
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I suspect you are right, but it may be that the sliding collar is seized on the shaft, or the rod that activates the throttle is disconnected inside.
I plan to add more coolant when Napa opens and then run it for 6 hrs or so, and hope that heat and lubrication will do something.
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Old 01-02-2021, 04:34 PM
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This makes it sound as if it was on the outside of the engine
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Old 01-02-2021, 05:09 PM
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That is a much older engine and has 2 flywheels, and mine has one. The old 2 flywheel design was often diesel, but that one pictured has a magneto tripped by the exhaust push rod.
This is mine exactly If you look at the oil sump at the base you can see a round window to check oil level. Directly above the window is a bracket with rod to hold a flywheel shield, and behind that is the bell crank for the governor and a control rod going to the carb.

Judging from the pushrod tubes, the cam must be driven at right angles to the crank center line. Worst case scenario I will have to pull the flywheel off to get at it. If the cam is how the pushrods indicate, which end is the drive gear on, and is the governor on the cam gear? Or is the governor on the gear train that drives the magneto up on top of the case?
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My God that thing just purrs ought to easily last 50,000 hours +
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Old 01-02-2021, 06:52 PM
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My God that thing just purrs ought to easily last 50,000 hours +
That's what they were built for. Long life and fuel economy. First time I saw one was in 1972 when I was moving to the Yukon. All along the Alaska highway were these gas stations/roadhouses that were family run businesses. They all had these Witte engines powering a generator. I talked to one owner and he said those engines had been there and running since the construction of the road. And they would still be running, but once the road was paved people stopped less and cars went further when not fighting mud, so they died out.
I always promised myself I would have one, so when this came along I could not scrap it..
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