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Old 02-13-2024, 07:19 PM
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I color marked all the wires when I took it apart so should be pretty easy..

I did not realize I marked 2 different set of wires white so its a 50/50 there.
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Old 02-13-2024, 07:21 PM
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Do you guys know anything about the button heat switches?

How do I find out the specs on it.. it test continuity on the black and white leads..

I'm not sure what it's supposed to do with the red lead..
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Old 02-13-2024, 09:18 PM
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Do you guys know anything about the button heat switches?

How do I find out the specs on it.. it test continuity on the black and white leads..

I'm not sure what it's supposed to do with the red lead..
Did you cut off part of the picture and there is a red lead on the thermal cutout switch?

You can search 3 wire thermal snap switch and you can get an idea of what you may have there.

It is a thermally activated switch with a Normally opened and normally closed position looks like. I can see Therm o Disc as the name brand and 120 stamped on the metal ring.

I'll wing it and say it controls the fan. The heater lights and when it reaches 120 degrees the fan comes on, Or the fan comes on when you turn the heater on and when you shut it off the fan runs until the heater gets below 120 degrees. If the 120 is the temp setting of the therm O disc.

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Old 02-14-2024, 07:15 AM
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Did you cut off part of the picture and there is a red lead on the thermal cutout switch?

You can search 3 wire thermal snap switch and you can get an idea of what you may have there.

It is a thermally activated switch with a Normally opened and normally closed position looks like. I can see Therm o Disc as the name brand and 120 stamped on the metal ring.

I'll wing it and say it controls the fan. The heater lights and when it reaches 120 degrees the fan comes on, Or the fan comes on when you turn the heater on and when you shut it off the fan runs until the heater gets below 120 degrees. If the 120 is the temp setting of the therm O disc.

Scott
Yes, it's a 3-wire. black, white, red.

There is no safety persay like a modern oil-fired furnace with a cad cell. I believe this is to cut fuel when and if there is an over temp.

When the switch is turned on, the blower starts and it fires.

The photos of the switch were to find the numbers.

No time delay.

Basically motor (fan,pump), transformer, thermostat, thermal disk switch.

Do you think that is the MFG date on the top of the switch? 11-67
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Old 02-14-2024, 07:27 PM
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I think I might be done???

I fired it up, but the oil line started leaking.. It was a compression fitting that had been over tightened a time or 2..

I put in a flare fitting and replaced the connector on the solenoid cutoff..

I have to change the wiring some..

When I plug it in, the fuel solenoid opens even when it's temperature switch is in the off position..

So I'm thinking the solenoid should be closed while the unit is off even when plugged in..

it fired right up when the line was fixed..

It still looks a little smokey but it was hard to tell since it was starting to get dark.. It did not smell diesely though but I'll know tomorrow in the light..
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Old 02-14-2024, 07:50 PM
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I wonder if a double wall stack would help. the higher chimney might draw more air and clean up the exhaust
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Old 02-14-2024, 08:41 PM
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I wonder if a double wall stack would help. the higher chimney might draw more air and clean up the exhaust
I like your thinking..

It's a forced air unit though.. Meaning it needs no stack at all.. The blower forces all the combustion gases thru the heater chambers and out the top.

Older Non retention head burners have a tendency to swirl the fire around in it's chamber.. Vs having a very condensed fire that hangs off the end of the burner.

I'll know tomorrow if there is still some smoke.. Was to dark tonight to see any.. it did not smell diesely though so that is really good.

There are a few ways to get to where it should be with a retention head though..

The unit's overall usability is very high. and with little modification a retainer type assembly can be fitted.
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Old 02-14-2024, 08:58 PM
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Yes, it's a 3-wire. black, white, red.

There is no safety persay like a modern oil-fired furnace with a cad cell. I believe this is to cut fuel when and if there is an over temp.

When the switch is turned on, the blower starts and it fires.

The photos of the switch were to find the numbers.

No time delay.

Basically motor (fan,pump), transformer, thermostat, thermal disk switch.

Do you think that is the MFG date on the top of the switch? 11-67
I'll agree that that is a date. Therm o disc got bought out by another company in 2023 and I could not find any of the other numbers on that website. I did see some of the switches by searching the 11t- number on ebay.

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Old 02-15-2024, 05:52 PM
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The heater looks very Christmasy!
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