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Old 01-31-2023, 11:50 AM
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This is one side of a quick attach adapter for a tractor loader. I think this one was made of 1/4'' steel. I need to be able to weld up to 1/2'' plate steel to 1/2'' steel like this is done. Would a 180 amp MIG be able to handle this? I've been looking at a Lincoln 180 and also a Hobart 210 MVP. What do you think? Or maybe a Hobart Ironman 240? Thanks
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Old 01-31-2023, 03:28 PM
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I could consider a clean, used Miller before I considered a new import MIG. For the money, you might look for a used Lincoln stick tombstone especially if you are welding outside.

180A is going to be marginal trying to weld 1/2" in one pass, regardless of method. You are looking at a 250A machine with clean power going to it--you'll need at least a 50A service to plug it into. Then there is a cylinder of gas you will need unless you are going with flux.

The welding rabbit-hole is very deep and it is easy to spend $1000s. The advice most will give here is to spend as much as you can initially for the best machine you can afford. Buy Once, Cry Once... A welder is one of those tools that once you have it, you will figure out more uses for it since you have it.

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Welcome aboard Bigfoot. I have to admit that I was a bit cynical when approving your membership request this morning after visiting your website. I was afraid you might be inclined to jump in and start advertising. Unfortunately we have a lot of folks that have done that here in the past. I'm glad I was wrong and your first post/question was a genuine one.

I'm sure you will find someone who has great solution to getting the job done in a way that will fit your budget. For doing outdoor MIG on material like that it's a big ask and I would save up the money to buy a bigger piece of equipment. I have a Hobart 175 machine and have often wished I'd upgraded. I do not think anything in that class will really do you a good job. It's one thing to stick the pieces together, another completely when the pieces are expected to take a beating and not fail. That's not something you'd want to have a customer bringing back.
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I would use a stick welder, and you will have a good job and great penetration
with 1/8" 7018 and 115 amps.
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Old 02-01-2023, 11:10 AM
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Any good?

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I would use a stick welder, and you will have a good job and great penetration
with 1/8" 7018 and 115 amps.

My thoughts as well.

But more information would be helpful for best advice. And based on info given in this thread, we may not have the total big picture.

1. Since OP is asking about welder size, we can probably assume he is beginning stages about learning to weld. But with Dubbys info, the question arises as to is he planning on using these in production of his own implements for sale to others?

Or is this for a one off repair/ fabrication for his own use?

Depending answer to question 1, answer the following question.
2. Will welding time end up being a big concern?

Then mig would be better, but mig will require more learning and skills to make sure the weld is actually a good and strong weld.

If doing by stick, then if you can be a bit less concerned about penetration and strength, especially if you are a beginning welder, imo. My thought for this, is if you develop the skill needed to start and maintain an stick electrode arc, and get a decent looking bead, then you can be reasonably sure that you got sufficient penetration into the parent metals.

If welding with mig, you can get a nice looking bead, but no actual penetration into the parent metals. And there are a lot more variables to learn mig welding vs stick welding. But if the mig welder is set up correctly, it can be easier for a “non-welder” to get a proper bead, but the weldor needs to know what to look for and adjust correctly.


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Well, my son, a professional welder, welds water tanks for municipalities and can do beautiful welds on these adapters but, with 4 kids, a job and a side business, he doesn't have time anymore. So, I'm hoping to get good enough to weld these safely enough for my customers. I looked at the Ironman 240, saw a few reviews I didn't like, and certainly didn't like the price. Didn't want to spend 3 or 4k on a used Miller. So I settled on a PrimeWeld MIG285. It not only does MIG but stick and TIG too. They have a 3 yr warranty and customer support in the US. Some of the Hobarts are made overseas as well, including China and the dang Ironman 240, for twice the price, didn't even come with a .045 roller, and has a cheap looking ground clamp. This one has the .045 roller and a better looking clamp.. I already have a bottle of Argon I was using on my Lincoln MIG 135, and can get some 75/25 if needed. If it doesn't work for me, I'll get something more expensive.
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Well, my son, a professional welder, welds water tanks for municipalities and can do beautiful welds on these adapters but, with 4 kids, a job and a side business, he doesn't have time anymore. So, I'm hoping to get good enough to weld these safely enough for my customers. I looked at the Ironman 240, saw a few reviews I didn't like, and certainly didn't like the price. Didn't want to spend 3 or 4k on a used Miller. So I settled on a PrimeWeld MIG285. It not only does MIG but stick and TIG too. They have a 3 yr warranty and customer support in the US. Some of the Hobarts are made overseas as well, including China and the dang Ironman 240, for twice the price, didn't even come with a .045 roller, and has a cheap looking ground clamp. This one has the .045 roller and a better looking clamp.. I already have a bottle of Argon I was using on my Lincoln MIG 135, and can get some 75/25 if needed. If it doesn't work for me, I'll get something more expensive.

They have come a long way with these inverter machines. I haven’t heard of Primeweld before, so I can’t attest to any of their claims. But I hope everything goes well for you.

Most likely this welder is the same one sold under numerous brands. Coming from same factory in China. China isn’t necessarily bad, but they are good at producing items to hit a certain price point. Either high quality, high price, or low quality, low price.

The only reason I have not pulled the trigger on one of these for my home shop is I’m not ready to gamble that much money for a still new technology (IMO) for a machine that might only get used 3-4 times a year, and have it shit out on me four years from now due to lack of use.

I have several old school Millers and Lincoln’s that have been around 20-40 years, and I expect them to last that much longer.

How easy are consumables available for that machine. Are they on the local welding supply store shelves. Or special order?

You say you have an Argon tank. I assume you only use that for Aluminum and Stainless Steel? It usually does not do well on Steel mig.

I am happy to hear that you can probably have your son come over and help you get things set up, if you have any questions or problems. Having an more experienced person to help can be a great thing.


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Old 02-01-2023, 03:45 PM
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I also just bought 2- 10# spools of Flux Core E71t-1 .045
Maybe I can weld some thicker steel now.
Oh yeah, I'll need a 50 or 60 amp breaker too and some #6 wire for the outlet.
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They have come a long way with these inverter machines. I haven’t heard of Primeweld before, so I can’t attest to any of their claims. But I hope everything goes well for you.

Most likely this welder is the same one sold under numerous brands. Coming from same factory in China. China isn’t necessarily bad, but they are good at producing items to hit a certain price point. Either high quality, high price, or low quality, low price.

The only reason I have not pulled the trigger on one of these for my home shop is I’m not ready to gamble that much money for a still new technology (IMO) for a machine that might only get used 3-4 times a year, and have it shit out on me four years from now due to lack of use.

I have several old school Millers and Lincoln’s that have been around 20-40 years, and I expect them to last that much longer.

How easy are consumables available for that machine. Are they on the local welding supply store shelves. Or special order?

You say you have an Argon tank. I assume you only use that for Aluminum and Stainless Steel? It usually does not do well on Steel mig.

I am happy to hear that you can probably have your son come over and help you get things set up, if you have any questions or problems. Having an more experienced person to help can be a great thing.


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