Shop Floor Talk  

Go Back   Shop Floor Talk > Welding and Metalworking Forums > Blacksmithing & Forming

SFT Search:   
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-14-2014, 05:06 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default Buffalo Forge and Blower 12" silent 200

I have 3 different types of hand crank blowers and one electric.. I used to have 2 electric but one got scrapped..

I have a Canedy Otto, 3 Buffalo Silent 200's 14" and 1 Champion 400 and today I received a Buffalo silent 200 12"

So the new one went for little money as it was missing the gear drive cover.. But it did come with a mounting arm..

I am okay with that.. I'll make a new gear drive cover from sheet at some point..


The Canedy otto is a top of the line multi shaft oil filled gear case unit with helical gears but works about like the Champion 400 which has a worm drive in it.. The blower outlet is 90D to the air flow.. they work well enough..

But I prefer the Buffalo silent 200.. I've only used the 14" and is what I prefer but I couldn't pass up on how cool that cover looks on the 12" model..

also the parts are interchangeable for the most part.. I'd have to make up a 14" fan blade but this gives me back up.. If and when I start my forging school it will give people a chance to try different blowers..

And now for the pictures..
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20141114_161829.jpg
Views:	387
Size:	103.7 KB
ID:	119918   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141114_161837.jpg
Views:	365
Size:	100.0 KB
ID:	119919   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141114_161849.jpg
Views:	340
Size:	103.0 KB
ID:	119920   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141114_161759.jpg
Views:	359
Size:	101.9 KB
ID:	119921   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141114_164132.jpg
Views:	343
Size:	107.2 KB
ID:	119922  

__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-14-2014, 05:08 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default

Here are the Canedy Otto , and Champion 400..
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20141114_164018.jpg
Views:	294
Size:	105.5 KB
ID:	119923   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141114_164455.jpg
Views:	288
Size:	97.0 KB
ID:	119924  
__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-14-2014, 05:56 PM
milomilo's Avatar
milomilo milomilo is offline
Auction Addict
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wheatland, Wyoming
Posts: 15,058
Default

A cast aluminum cover would look very cool on the new one.
__________________
Chris

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-14-2014, 06:01 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default

Wow see that is why I love it here.

A cast aluminum cover would be
__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-15-2014, 11:32 AM
Lu47Dan's Avatar
Lu47Dan Lu47Dan is online now
Connoisseur of Old Iron
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: N/W Pa.
Posts: 5,972
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by milomilo View Post
A cast aluminum cover would look very cool on the new one.
+1
Jenn, quite a collection of blowers you have.
Dan.
__________________
Tools to Men are like Shoes to Women , you can never have too many !!
Used diesel engines are an adventure anyway you look at them !!
Miller XMT-304 Multiprocess
Miller 10-E Wire Feeder
Miller Spectrum 2050 Plasma Cutter
Hobart AC/DC stick welder
Hobart 175 Mig
Craftsman O/A set
Turbo torch and B-tank
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-15-2014, 12:41 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu47Dan View Post
+1
Jenn, quite a collection of blowers you have.
Dan.
I sure do.. my original blower is gone now.. I used a gear reduction unit with a belt to a rotary squirrel cage blower.. This was fastened under the Mack Truck oil pan forge..

I was lucky enough that one of the family friends dad was the last blacksmith in town and the guy bought the house and shop from his father so when he found out I was interested in blacksmithing he said I could borrow it..

I've had it nearly 30 years now.. Long time to borrow something right.. He eventually said just keep it I offered him money for it but said " keep it and use it in good health and he couldn't be happier knowing it went to someone who would use it.".. Thanks JOE G.. I didn't end up with any of the other equipment other than the blower and a couple of oil filled tubes the Dad used to harden chisels in.. Joe's son eventually ended up with a belt driven/hand driven drill press and the anvil.. He was/is a mechanic.. The dad who was the blacksmith was a nice guy and not grumpy at all.


Then I got the Canedy Otto for doing a job for a fellow blacksmith as payment..


The other Buffalo's 1 came on a forge I bought for 35.00.. Newer style MFg.. Not as good as the older ones and the other one I don't even remember where I pic'd it up..

The Champion 400 came from a guy David L.. He bought a home that had a blacksmith shop on it.. I never did get to see the rest of the stuff as he moved a few years later but I ended up with it for 75.00.. It went into the Blacksmith trailer right away as it was perfect timing since I needed one for there anyhow..

I don't even remember what I used on some of the forges I had.. Been a long road..
__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.

Last edited by allessence; 11-15-2014 at 07:20 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-15-2014, 07:33 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default Blower tear down..

Bearing help..

so today I completely stripped the blower down to clean it out and get it ready for paint..

I'm having a hard time with matching up bearings..

The bearing inner race says ND 12 P or R

The inside diameter is 12.00MM or 0.473

Width 6.96mm 0.274

The outer race as measured inside the hub housing since I didnt' take it out yet. but looks like right around 32mm..

How can something so old have metric bearings?

This thing is from like 1901..

Also I believe they are angular contact bearings.. the inner race bearings came apart separatly, the outer race stayed in the housing.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (3).jpg
Views:	482
Size:	103.9 KB
ID:	119970   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (4).jpg
Views:	388
Size:	104.4 KB
ID:	119971   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (9).jpg
Views:	492
Size:	95.1 KB
ID:	119972   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (11).jpg
Views:	326
Size:	98.8 KB
ID:	119975   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (10).jpg
Views:	305
Size:	91.1 KB
ID:	119976  

__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.

Last edited by allessence; 11-15-2014 at 08:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-15-2014, 08:18 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default

the complete blower housing has to come off then pull the bearing cap off the non drive side..

Then pull lock screw and push the shaft out towards the drive side..

The bearings in the rod you will see them.. then the axial play adjusters. Look at both.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20141115_152615.jpg
Views:	329
Size:	99.3 KB
ID:	119965   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141115_153107.jpg
Views:	287
Size:	100.4 KB
ID:	119966   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141115_153110.jpg
Views:	273
Size:	99.8 KB
ID:	119967   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141115_153122.jpg
Views:	285
Size:	94.9 KB
ID:	119968   Click image for larger version

Name:	20141115_153147.jpg
Views:	284
Size:	77.3 KB
ID:	119969  

__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-15-2014, 10:00 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default

Once you have the shaft out from the second gear you can remove the outside cover and remove the locknut then the washer and second preload nut..
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (23).jpg
Views:	261
Size:	91.5 KB
ID:	119977   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (24).jpg
Views:	272
Size:	93.1 KB
ID:	119978   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (25).jpg
Views:	268
Size:	99.0 KB
ID:	119979   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (26).jpg
Views:	364
Size:	94.1 KB
ID:	119980   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (27).jpg
Views:	290
Size:	100.1 KB
ID:	119981  

__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-15-2014, 10:03 PM
allessence's Avatar
allessence allessence is offline
Gadget Girl
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: MA, 01543
Posts: 6,427
Default

once the shaft is out it's just a matter of cleaning up the case, gears and bearings. The bearings are usually just dirty but these were rusty.. More than likely from not having a cover on it and water getting inside..

I could put it all back together now and it would work just fine but I'll try and find the correct bearings..
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (28).jpg
Views:	267
Size:	86.1 KB
ID:	119982   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (29).jpg
Views:	417
Size:	92.5 KB
ID:	119983   Click image for larger version

Name:	blower (30).jpg
Views:	318
Size:	98.1 KB
ID:	119986  
__________________
_________________
Jennifer

If I defend myself I am attacked.

My meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world.

My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability.

I'd like to think of something smart, but I don't want to hurt myself.

My google+ page

DoALL 36"
Another Johnson model J Project
Lathe? Maybe..... 1958 SBL 13"
Yeti Esseti Aka running welder on 3phase.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Web Search:

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.