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Old 02-24-2005, 07:32 PM
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I found a little anvil today on my way back into town from the city of Idalou.
(pausing here until the giggles subside) That's right - Idalou.
So I stopped at this place that has become one of my favorites & talked to the proprietor; he's an old auctioneer who understands junk, farm implements & the like and I discovered a Mexican anvil up on the porch. He said, "Yeah, but here's a good'un" & pointed to a different one a little closer to the door and proceeded to tell me that this "good'un" came out of a farm workshop where it had been for over 75 years, through 3 generations of the same family. It is in pretty good shape; I did notice one small maybe 1/2 inch long chip off the side of the face & a few dings but it certainly wasn't beat to death like so many I have seen. I asked the man if he thought it was a 100 pounder, he said he thought probably 85lbs so it's not monster but still, that's probably good enough for me. So I got his cell phone number, did my best to read the markings on the side which looked kinda like " aY Buddey" to me but when I googled it just now, google came back with "did you mean Hay Budden?" so I 'spose that's what I meant.
How does $125 sound to you guys?
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:01 PM
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Try HayBurton or variations thereof.
If the face is good, should be a buck to a buck and a half a pound. Of course, I'd want a hardie too for that kind of money.
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:09 PM
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It definitely has the 2 d's as in "Budden", not "Burton". And Brooklyn, NY.
Here is the reference I am going by & the link is below, along with a little
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Source: Blacksmith's and Farriers' Tools at Shelburne Museum, by H. R. Bradley Smith:

Mark Fisher is credited with making the first anvil in the United States. Backed by Norris he formed Fisher & Norris in Trenton, New Jersey, which operated from 1847 until 1961. Fisher's first anvil was a cast iron body with a cast steel face. All Fisher and Norris anvils used the Eagle Trademark. Fisher and Norris is also credited with building the largest anvil in the world (it weighed 1600 pounds) for the Centennial Exposition of 1876.

A second United States manufacturer of anvils was Hay-Budden Manufacturing Co. (James Hay and Frederick C. Budden), Brooklyn, New York. They supposedly began operation in 1890 and went out of business in the era of 1920 to 1925. In 1905, Hay-Budden claimed that there were over 100,000 of their anvils in use. Hay-Budden advertising says: `Every Hay-Budden Anvil is made of the best American Wrought iron and faced with the best Crucible Cast Steel. Every genuine Hay-Budden Anvil is made by the latest improved methods. Top and bottom are each one solid piece and welded at the waist. The steel faces to these anvils are all put on in one solid piece: not two or more pieces, as is customary with most anvils ... we have produced a steel for the faces of our anvils which will take a harder temper and be less liable to chip than any on the market ... and the blacksmith who wants a strictly first-class anvil can make no mistake in purchasing a Hay-Budden."

Hay-Budden manufactured a number of different pattern anvils, making the farrier's anvil with and without the clip horn. They also made an Plowmaker's Anvil, a double Horn Anvil, a Hornless Anvil, a Sawmaker's Anvil, and Cooper's Steel faced Beck Irons.

http://www.fholder.com/Blacksmithing/anvil.htm
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Cutter, Good price and an excellent brand. While anvil prices vary from region to region, I think you could easily expect to pay a minimum of $2.50 a pound for a "decent" example...more if it was in better condition. The worse thing that ever happened to anvil prices is the Martha Stewarts' of the decorating world who think an old anvil just adds so much to a backyard garden. Keeps the availability low and the prices high. I picked up an anvil down at First Monday when I was visiting my brother over in Kaufman last Feb. or April and brought it up north with me.
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Cutter, Good price and an excellent brand. While anvil prices vary from region to region, I think you could easily expect to pay a minimum of $2.50 a pound for a "decent" example...more if it was in better condition. The worse thing that ever happened to anvil prices is the Martha Stewarts' of the decorating world who think an old anvil just adds so much to a backyard garden. Keeps the availability low and the prices high. I picked up an anvil down at First Monday when I was visiting my brother over in Kaufman last Feb. or April and brought it up north with me.
Oh jeeze . . . Martha is pimping anvils now?? My sister made me find and haul down to NY an old metal bed for a "Flower Bed" because she saw it on TV. I don't know if I'm up to anvil lifting yet
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madam,
Did she make a bed of Roses?
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Old 02-25-2005, 12:29 PM
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Oh jeeze . . . Martha is pimping anvils now?? My sister made me find and haul down to NY an old metal bed for a "Flower Bed" because she saw it on TV. I don't know if I'm up to anvil lifting yet
Madam, Sitting back in the flower section of the backyard garden the wife has her very own iron bed of flower as well. She's in her rusty metal backyard ornamentation phase. I used to take her with me on my forays up at the local scrapyard, but she kept wanting to bring home the "interesting" pieces that would have taken three men, a boy and a truck with gin poles to move. Even at a dime a pound I was looking at financial ruin. I'm surprised that Marfa hasn't come out with her own line of black striped garden work outfits and cut-rate ball and chain combos at K-Mart...course I haven't been down the garden aisle in some time.
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Cutter, The worse thing that ever happened to anvil prices is the Martha Stewarts' of the decorating world who think an old anvil just adds so much to a backyard garden. Keeps the availability low and the prices high.
That will eventually come full circle. It has over here.

People have got these heavy, rusty, expensive, garden ornaments that are no longer in fashion and they are not quite sure what to do with them.

I swapped this ANVIL for wiring a mains feed into a neighbours garage. He paid quite a lot for the anvil, but did'nt want it cluttering up his re-modelled yard anymore.

The work I did for him was worth about £50 ($75).

Not as nice (or as big!) as the one you scored, but it shows that the bargains are out there if you keep looking.


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I dunno, one_rod; it looks very close in size to me & mine really isn't all that perfect either. I'll try to think to measure mine in few minutes.

On another note, the old gent with the big anvil for sale emailed me back & invited me to send him the serial number so he could look up the mfg. date for me. Problem is now, I can't find it or I have seen only 2 digits on opposite sides of the waist, under the "manuel & ringo" lettering. I hope this isn't a lost cause because I really would like to date the old thing.
Have I ever mentioned that I love old hand tools? They just make me feel better about the world in general. I think its because they reassure me that humanity can survive and flourish without all this "must-have" foppery that we demand today; convenience, speed & power are nice & I enjoy them but pounding the snot out of a crooked piece of iron is a wonderful thing.
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