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Old 08-07-2005, 01:49 PM
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posted by: atucker

Cutter,

Be patient - when Franz first posted this procedure over at Hobart (last May), my son had just got a car from a friend. The trunk had water standing in the spare wheel well. We recovered the scissor type jack that had been submerged for who knows how long. The thing was total rust. The screw type shaft was locked tight, wouldn't budge. I took it home and took my first stab at Franz's procedure. Washing soda was easy to find here at most grocery stores. My initial reaction was like yours - what a nasty mess. In about 24 hours the shaft was free. I was amazed at how the process worked within the threaded part of it that was rusted. I guess we could call it the screw and the nut - the internal parts that weren't visible when it was still locked up. I let it go for another 24 hrs. and it was pretty darn clean. My son and I were both amazed. Painted it and it works great. From the looks of your vise, it doesn't look like you need to be in any hurry. I don't know how long it will take, but just give it time.

Allen T.


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posted by: Newb

I imagine while this needs to be done in a ventilated area, that care needs to be taken as to where it is done right? After all, anything that would touch the water would get a strong jolt, so if there's any squirrels or dogs running around looking for a free drink (or kids playing) they'd get a nasty surprise. Just want to make sure I have my basis covered. As soon as cutter gets done, I'm going to try it, so I'm itchin in my kitchen to try it.


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posted by Cutter 03-08-2004


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Originally posted by Newb
I imagine while this needs to be done in a ventilated area, that care needs to be taken as to where it is done right? After all, anything that would touch the water would get a strong jolt, so if there's any squirrels or dogs running around looking for a free drink (or kids playing) they'd get a nasty surprise. Just want to make sure I have my basis covered. As soon as cutter gets done, I'm going to try it, so I'm itchin in my kitchen to try it.
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Yep, it releases hydrogen gas, somewhat explosive when confined I hear. Don't care to test it myself so I am doing this outside & that's also why I didn't start last week. It rained off & on all week.
The water is nasty looking but really not all that caustic. I wouldn't want to soak in it but I have to get my hands in it to move that chunk of iron around. Just wash it off right away & no harm done. I have a ten year old dog & a dumbass of a 6 month old puppy. He took one whiff of it and shied away immediately; this is the dog that never met a fluid he didn't want to taste-test - before now. I'm not worried about him. Kids? - I don't know about & that's another reason its in my back yard.

Okay, I got a couple of "in progress" pictures. I managed to wrestle the beast out of the soup without straining my uterus or anything at about the 22 hour mark, yesterday afternoon. I rigged up a crude tripod & used an old wire-stretcher from my antique tool collection to temporarily suspend it by the moving jaw, hoping its own weight would begin to free up the slide. No luck yet. Banging on it didn't help either. So I laid it down & got a few shots to show you.

Here is a side view:



In the picture in the previous post, you can see that I lightly wire brushed the ball shaped area on the left side of the pic, on the moving jaw. That was with a few strokes using a hand-powered brush so the rust is dissolving pretty fast. I thought this might encourage some of you who said you are waiting to see how this turns out before you give it a try. Here is a closer look where you can plainly see the process is working very well:



The best news of the 22 hour report is that I was able to get 2 of the 3 broken collar screws out of the jaw. These are the screws that once held the retaining collar which keeps the main screw locked into the moving jaw. (The collar is missing.) The top screw is broken off flush. Think of the vise grips as being at the 9 o'clock position; the flush-broke screw is at 12 o'clock & three o'clock is protruding from the casting. I'll leave the problematic one until I am finished soaking the whole thing, then figure out how to get a grip on it. I was very happy to get the first two out so soon.



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posted by: Newb

looks great so far, just got back from purchasing my ingredients and got an old storage bin ready to go.


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posted by: Paychk

Cutter to get the flush broken screw out, find some left hand twist drills and use a reversable drill. That screw will probably un-thread will you drill it.

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posted by Cutter 03-08-2004


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Originally posted by Newb
looks great so far, just got back from purchasing my ingredients and got an old storage bin ready to go.
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Hey Newb, I don't mean this to sound too elementary, but you do mean a plastic storage bin, don't you?

Paychk, I have never owned a left-hand drill bit. I doubt that it will take very much torque to back that screw out by the time its soaked that long.

OlPilot, got any idea where I might find that missing collar, yoke, whatever? Also the handles are missing from the hold down nuts and the end cap is long gone. I can eventually make a collar that will do I think, but finding some day light to do it is a problem right now.


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Originally posted by Franz
Come to think of it Cutter, it would be better if you just crate that vise up and ship it to me so I can give it a decent burial at the end of a bench.
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I have given some thought to your offer, Franz, As scarred up as this old dog is, I'd be embarrassed for you to have to pay the freight on it just to do that for me. How about if I wait until I fly up to NY sometime in May & just slip it into my carryon? I doubt anyone would notice.


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posted by: Franz

Cutter, if you wanna slip it in the carryon that'll work just fine.
Don't forget to bring all the parts.


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posted by: Newb

Yes, it's a plastic bin, thanks for asking.


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posted by: Mike W

Cutter, 20 parts water and one part muriatic acid would work faster.


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posted by: Newb

When we getting an update Cutter? Your wife didn't serve you that for dinner did she?


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posted by: OlPilot

Cutter, this is the best address I could find. Don't know if they can help with parts. I tend to think Wilton has been gobbled up and is mostly offshore now.

WILTON TOOL GROUP
300 S Hicks Rd
Palatine, IL 60067
Phone: 847-934-6000
Fax: 847-934-6730

A few years ago, my boss bought parts for what appears to be an identical vise. I'll see if he can remember where he got them.
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