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Old 04-01-2009, 09:40 AM
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I grew up on a rock pile in Central Alberta that had medium heavy clay soil with lots of glacial rocks. If it was at all damp, the heavy clay soil wouldn't drop through any grating you could build that would be strong enough to withstand the forces needed to dig out and or load rocks.

We used a 900 Case tractor to pull a Degelman ground drive rock picker that had 5/8" plate teeth on the reel and 5/8" plate capped with +/- 3/4" x 1 1/2" straps on the apron. Dad and I spent many an afternoon with the oxy acet and tiger torch straightening those teeth. We were quite tempted to trade the old Degelman for a Leon with a slotted floor in the rock tub, but never managed it. I see the newer Degelman's have a slotted floor in the tub and hydraulic reel drives.

The loader buckets that were commercially available had 1" round bar teeth spaced at 3"-4" on center. I don't know what steel was in those rods, but they'd bend long before they broke. Degelman also makes a prong type rock picker that sees similar forces to a bucket. I see the teeth are spec'd at 1"x2".

This is all to point out that I think that the teeth shown need to be stronger horizontally that the flat iron on edge for rock service. Even though the bucket previously posted has thicker flat iron teeth, it also has another strap welded horizontally along the bottom of each tooth.

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Old 04-01-2009, 09:44 PM
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So many questions! Firstly, welcome to the forum Farmersamm. The plan is to get in the field as soon as possible I guess. Dad and I haven't really discussed when we'd get out there to get rocks.We mostly chisel plow our corn, wheat and bean ground, and moldboard the hay ground, so we could maybe get out there right after chisel plowing before we disc, or after the first pass of the disc after moldboarding. Typically it's plow, disc once, and depending on the field cultimulch it, or disc it again with a set of drag following behind. As far as spacing goes, most of the one I saw online or in magazines were spaced anywhere from 3/4" to 3 1/2" O.C. This bucket is at 2" O.C., and we're figuring it'll be good enough. Maybe more like hoping. The reason I spaced it on 2" O.C. is b/c we're trying to get the smaller rocks that you'll plant right over and never see, only to suck em' through the chopper or baler when you're making hay.
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Originally posted by Farmersamm:Next question I have is about the lower backside rear corner of the bucket. I can't see what's left of that portion of the bucket you're cuttin' apart. I dunno if there's any meat left at that point. I see where you've added the flat, and I hope it's not meant to support the tines.
I'm not quite sure where you're talking about on the bucket here, but if it's the rear, all the flat is for is to support the rear of the tines. the verticle bars on the back will be welded into the lip on top, and I'm going to weld flats in between all the tines about 2/3 of the way back, all the way across and to the sides of the bucket. As far as the wear bar, that probably won't do a whole lot. The digger tines are welded directly to the original cutting edge, which is in decent shape, so with the extra rigidity of the 3/8" flat on edge, and all the 1/4" pieces (uprights, rear flats and spacers across the bucket), I think it'll be ok. Plus, the sides are still solidly attached to everything, sans the orignal floor, so I've still got that to transfer the different forces of digging. Time will tell of course.
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Old 04-01-2009, 09:53 PM
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Cam, I never even thought about the teeth getting bent horizontally. That 2nd picture in your post showing the teeth w/ the bars under them may be something I have to copy. Offhand, do you know how far those teeth stick out past the bucket? Mine are only 3 1/2" from the edge of the cutting edge to the tip, so that might help keep them from bending. Thanks for the pic showing the teeth. That may come in handy later.
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Old 04-02-2009, 09:41 AM
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Cam, I never even thought about the teeth getting bent horizontally. That 2nd picture in your post showing the teeth w/ the bars under them may be something I have to copy. Offhand, do you know how far those teeth stick out past the bucket?
Off hand, I'd say 8" or so. The cross member behind the points is a square tube (guessing, I'd say 3 x 4), not a flat. The teeth are allowed to stick out past the cross member to give ground clearance and digging room for the apron to slide under the rock to be picked. Sorry the measurements are so fuzzy, I haven't seen it in a decade or more

For a little perspective on soil type, most in that area gave up completely on moldboard plows as they form a "plowsole" hard pan in the clay and suffer a lot of damage from all the rocks. Discs and chisel plows (cultivators) are the most popular. Many area farmers are moving to zero or minimum till methods using air seeders to seed and apply fertilizer, then chemically control weeds and then swath and combine. The improved fibre content of the soil using these techniques reduces erosion and compaction. Min till means the a farmer can easily seed cereals and oilseeds (the most common crops in the area) at 20 acres an hour with no help.

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Old 04-02-2009, 09:56 AM
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Old 04-03-2009, 01:11 AM
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Sorry about the crappy drawings

I wonder if you can still add some beef in an external skeleton behind the bucket. It would tie the existing vertical reinforced thingies to the rest of the bucket.

As for side shear on the tines, possibly a 3/16x3 piece of tubing inside the outer left and right side of the bucket, tied to the new skeleton. It would help to prevent the tines from wanting to move left/right. It wouldn't widen the bucket footprint, tie it to the old wear bar/tines and it's gonna go a long way in reinforcing the whole deal. I don't believe you'd have to undo anything you've done so far.

Only problem I see.......... How far do you go before you're back in the price range of a new bucket? But on the other side of the coin, it'd be a shame to bend up all the new steel you've paid good money for. It's a hard call.
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Old 04-03-2009, 10:21 AM
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